Products vs Technology. Dont buy the products, acquire their technologies. They can turn off my phone and my gsm chip, but they cant keep my dongle from talking to their tower IF I control how it identifies (and I do) Look around and figure out ways to interact with device WITHOUT the 'required' device. Client/Server/Service paradigms are simple transactional things and can be gamed, In fact, most are so overly complicated that it becomes a simple matter for the initiated. That Security camera? That has an IP, a router and a wire that goes somewhere. Did they properly NAT? Did they forget to harden? Only one way to find out. That 5G Subscriber Access Point, you can talk to it. That cell phone tower, you can talk to it. You just have to know how. The machines will listen to anyone who appears authentic and authenticated. I can take a prepaid GSM sim, ordered with crypto, delivered from japan, account funded with crypto and that sim card plus a SIM808 module will get me not only onto the Voice network, but also access to GPS, SMS and Internet. All in a tiny 2"x2" square, controlled by a $15 nano or similar. $3 more, adds my SD card slot, $20 more, adds a TFT screen. We dont need them. I dont need apps, If I want it to do something it doesnt, I'll code it in. Now, dont get me wrong, you wont be playing games on these, and entertainment and being in with the cool kids is right out this window. This is a different kind of life...... that they will never understand. (but our enemies do) If a man stops thinking of himself, as the subject of a nation, and begins to think of himself, as a nation, what changes? Everything. There is something to be said for 'bare metal' development. Thank you for participating in my 2am coffee ramblings.