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https://x.com/Marsupial_Gamer/status/2039960542102856171

I can’t believe this. This dude completely scammed my insurance company. His friend dumped him out of his wheelchair right in front of my truck while I was stopped at a light, not moving. The cops came, saw that there was no damage to his chair or my car and he was totally fine according to the paramedics who arrived. I told the cops it was a scam, that my car never touched him or his chair. His friend ran, he refused to go to the hospital, the cops took my info & insurance and the police report said there was no evidence of any accident or injury. I spoke with the insurance and told them it was a scam and to not pay anything.

~6 months later, my insurance payments more than doubled. I went into their app and found out Progressive paid this con artist $41,426 for an imaginary injury and the most expensive wheelchair in frickin’ existence! And now I’m paying for their stupidity. I’m done with these bozos.

Payout summary

Best reply: https://x.com/iOccupyNigeria/status/2040052389181366353

I think you need to understand what actually happened here, because your frustration is valid, but the conclusion you’re drawing is slightly off.

I am not disputing your version of events at all. Based on what you said, the “victim” had no case. No contact, no damage, police report backs it up, paramedics cleared him. From a liability standpoint, that should be dead on arrival.

However, that is not how these situations get resolved in the real world.

What likely happened is simple business math. The claimant made a demand. The insurance company pushed back. The claimant then signals litigation. At that point, everything changes. Now the company has to weigh the cost of being right versus the cost of proving they are right.

Once you enter litigation, you are dealing with attorneys billing hundreds, sometimes up to a thousand dollars per hour. You have depositions, discovery, expert witnesses, internal time, and trial preparation. Even if the insurance company wins, they can easily spend fifty thousand to one hundred thousand dollars or more just defending the case.

So what do they do? They make a business decision. Not a moral one.

They say, “What will it take to make this go away?” The claimant throws out a number. They negotiate, settle, sign an agreement, often with confidentiality language, and move on.

That payment is not an admission that he was right. It is an admission that litigation is expensive. (continues)

https://x.com/Marsupial_Gamer/status/2039960542102856171 >I can’t believe this. This dude completely scammed my insurance company. His friend dumped him out of his wheelchair right in front of my truck while I was stopped at a light, not moving. The cops came, saw that there was no damage to his chair or my car and he was totally fine according to the paramedics who arrived. I told the cops it was a scam, that my car never touched him or his chair. His friend ran, he refused to go to the hospital, the cops took my info & insurance and the police report said there was no evidence of any accident or injury. I spoke with the insurance and told them it was a scam and to not pay anything. > ~6 months later, my insurance payments more than doubled. I went into their app and found out Progressive paid this con artist $41,426 for an imaginary injury and the most expensive wheelchair in frickin’ existence! And now I’m paying for their stupidity. I’m done with these bozos. [Payout summary](https://poal.co/static/images/45a59e7961797979.png) Best reply: https://x.com/iOccupyNigeria/status/2040052389181366353 >I think you need to understand what actually happened here, because your frustration is valid, but the conclusion you’re drawing is slightly off. > I am not disputing your version of events at all. Based on what you said, the “victim” had no case. No contact, no damage, police report backs it up, paramedics cleared him. From a liability standpoint, that should be dead on arrival. > However, that is not how these situations get resolved in the real world. > What likely happened is simple business math. The claimant made a demand. The insurance company pushed back. The claimant then signals litigation. At that point, everything changes. Now the company has to weigh the cost of being right versus the cost of proving they are right. > Once you enter litigation, you are dealing with attorneys billing hundreds, sometimes up to a thousand dollars per hour. You have depositions, discovery, expert witnesses, internal time, and trial preparation. Even if the insurance company wins, they can easily spend fifty thousand to one hundred thousand dollars or more just defending the case. > So what do they do? They make a business decision. Not a moral one. > They say, “What will it take to make this go away?” The claimant throws out a number. They negotiate, settle, sign an agreement, often with confidentiality language, and move on. > That payment is not an admission that he was right. It is an admission that litigation is expensive. (continues)
[–] 4 pts

That was a good explanation, but he left out the part where the insurance company doubles their own customer’s premiums to pay for their decision. That part cost them a customer. That probably cost them much more than the legal fees.

The dark side of this is that they know all of the other insurance companies operate in the same way. For every customer they lose like this they will gain another one from their competitors.

Still, ditching them helps. As long as they face the lost customer penalty they have to be careful to not do this too much.

The ultimate lesson is to do what people in corrupt countries like Russia and China have been doing for decades: Get a dashboard camera. If this guy handed video proof to his insurance company to take to court they likely would have paid out nothing.

I don’t know if having a dashboard camera lowers your insurance premiums, but it will fend off scams like this.

[–] 2 pts

I don’t know if having a dashboard camera lowers your insurance premiums, but it will fend off scams like this.

My insurer gives me a 5% discount because I have a dashcam. (I'd have one anyone, though.)

[–] 1 pt

He commented he's since invested in a dash cam. Glad mine is built in.

[–] 1 pt

I bet these scammers watch out for dash cams and newer model vehicles.

[–] 1 pt

I've seen videos where they make a big stink until noticing the camera. Shuts them up every time. :)

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Maybe there should be some kind of review board that goes over these cases and if they find someone attempting fraud, revoke all welfare from them.

[–] 0 pt

As far as I know attempted fraud is a crime. These people should be charged, convicted, and sentenced.

[–] 0 pt

No? The price increase will follow him to any other insurance companies.

[–] 0 pt

There is a calculus of the cost of a driving without insurance ticket/the danger of a real wreck vs paying the highly inflated premiums.

[–] 0 pt

Sure, but at least the bastards that did this to him will not be getting those increased payments. They will instead lose a customer entirely.

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But as is stated, that's meaningless people from other carriers will also experience this exact same treatment and shuffle to this company. Nothing changes in effect, just words on meaningless paper.