I'm fucking splitting a rib here. My fucking sides.
Question: "why are you obsessed with jews and israel?"
Answer: "because israel if a foreign power which has a significant amount of influence over my country and it's polices, including their past involvement with sending my country into wars that ultimately had a negative effect on the members of my race, such as getting a lot of them killed in the wars and in terror attacks, as well as by sending large amounts of africans and middle-easterners into the countries my race had founded for themselves which has diluted my race's political influence in those countries, drained our economies, produced a unprecedented level of violent criminal activities, including sex slavery rings, caused a great degree of internal hostilities, and caused people of my race to have to abandon large portions of their own countries to the invaders"
Reply: "and what's this got to do with jews over here?"
Response: "because jews like you refuse to talk about it, and instead focus on attacking members of my race who do bring this up, it's funny that a jew living in israel would be reporting on foreign influence of countries like russia and china on american policy, when your own country has the kind of influence over my country that both of these powers combined couldn't hope to even get close to matching, don't you think that's a bit dishonest of you?"
Retreat: "well, I don't find any of that interesting..."
Statement: "because it doesn't serve your interests to talk about this (quite the opposite, in fact), I, on the other hand, find discussing this to be of great importance, since it greatly affects people like me, and I'm not done yet, that was why I'm interested in talking about israel, now onto why I'm "obsessed with jews", as you say, have you ever noticed that there are a disproportionate amount of jews in position of power in this country?"
Rebuttal: "well, yes, but they aren't all conspiring with one another"
Counter-rebuttal: "they don't need to if they share a worldview they can trust each other to operate in accordance with a common interest" Follow-up: "secondly, there exists all these different organizations that are conspiring with one another and these powerful jews are members of these groups, these groups may not all agree on everything, but one thing they all have in common is that they were founded to act exclusively in the interests of the jewish people, here are just three of the organizations I can list off, surely you must have known about some of them?"
Strawman: "you are wrong, all jews don't agree on everything"
Fallacy identification and correction: "I wasn't talking about "all jews", just the members of these specific organizations, which include the most powerful people in our country, but THEY are all jews, their jewishness is the prime motivator for their actions, and they happen to belong to powerful groups that have an explicit agenda which I, a non-jew, find to be offensive. You just lied about my position, I never claimed that ALL jews are involved in this, in fact, if you hadn't noticed, I used a jew who opposed this agenda as a reference earlier in this conversation, and it's also a lie that I had claimed that these organizations are in agreement with each other on anything besides a common goal, they have different opinions on what it means to serve the interests of the jews, and different opinions on how to achieve these ends, all that matters here, is that these groups exist explicitly to elevate the level of power and influence of jews in my country, often to the detriment of every other variety of people who live in my country, which is a goal that every non-jew would take offense to, and these groups have all the most powerful people in our country among their members, now, tell me why I, or any non-jew, or any jew who has compassion for non-jews, would not take interest in this matter, and find this to be deeply concerning?"
Retreat: "I'm not interested in conversing with an anti-semite, this conversation is over"
Pursuit: "there it is, whenever someone points out the hatred jews have for non-jews, and shows that they know the truth about the ways in which jews oppress every other kind of person, out comes the reverse-card where you pretend it is you who are under attack, I don't think you get to hide behind this today, not with the conversation beginning with you attacking members of my race who advocate against this oppression in the interests of a non-jewish race, and not when you try to cover up and then apologize for the acts of jewish oppressors of non-jewish people, and not when you attack me by deliberately misrepresenting me as just some hateful bigot without a legitimate cause beyond hating jews just for being jews, and not when you try to test how much I know about the state of jewish power over non-jews in my country and how that power is being used against us, you've spend the entire conversation doing nothing but attacking me, my friends, my people, and my country, protecting those who hurt us, and generally acting like a loxist bigot who hates everyone who isn't jewish just for not being jewish, especially those of us who educate ourselves and stand up for our people against your persecution, you don't get to call me hateful and act like I'm the bad guy after all this. You don't get to do that, you hypocritical, hateful, and dishonest piece of shit."
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