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The animal doesn't matter. When the same research can be done without the cruelty only the psychopath does the cruelty. I have no doubt that you're psycho.

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Now do all of medicine. How else do you think they test for toxicity? They determine it based on the amount of a substance needed to kill 50 of 100 lab rats.

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You're changing the goalposts. The discussion is about putting rats in glass vials to watch them drown for an experiment that doesn't require watching them drown.

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He's very much raping you against the still stationary goalposts.

If they don't watch it actually drown, how can they know it is actually fatal, or that they have truly and completely given up and succumbed to death? Maybe the rat would figure out it could drop down and swim up for air, or any other myriad of bullshit. How else do you think they test for toxicity?

Cry more in the corner there, sensitive Steven. Science is sausage making.