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Think for a moment, among the most disciplined minds ever produced in the west monks and friars were often rotund

Hmmm, the image of the "fat friar" was specifically that of an irresponsible drag on resources that had to be brought to heel. I'm not sure they were disciplined. The lifestyle of a friar was by definition free from the discipline of an order. When you look at the images of venerated monks and clerics they tend to be ascetic.

if you want to end obesity the thing to do is start banning high fructose or putting a sin tax on it like we do with cigarettes, get the government to fund research in cost reduction for glucose syrup so that it can just replace fructose in factories piped for fructose.

How about neither? Taxing cigarettes didn't make smoking go away, the people who smoked before the taxes still do. What worked was social shaming, making it "uncool." Thing is with fat, it's already uncool (except among tumblrites). The ones who do it are so far gone they don't care about social judgement any more than a heroin addict does.

Aside from sugars the next big issue isn't dietary it's discipline and dopamine satiety and that is begging for social reforms like reducing fatherlessness, a return to patriarchy, and teaching the value and virtues of self discipline and delaying gratification in schools.

Yes. Also excercise. Schools should put more effort into finding forms of excercise to fit everyone. It should be taken as seriously as literacy.

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All men of God in the time before police states had to be quite self disciplined, only faith in God and self control between them and abusing/defrauding believers.

I wont say who but i have family in one if the top tobacco companies in the US and I can tell you with absolute certainty taxes had a massive effect on cigarette consumption, everytime taxes have been raised industry growth has had to be revised down at this point the cigarette business is in decline from taxes they are only losing smokers. Taxes, alternatives, health education and shame are all a part of it.

I agree with you on exercise. schools should seriously commit to improving physical education standards; frankly I think this has social, political, racial, and cultural issues tied up in it.

Niggers dominate sports in public schools and this makes reasonable people who know to avoid the groid want to avoid those sports. I grew up in a heavily integrated school district, every public school kid I knew that was white and played sports got stomped out by a pack of niggers if they ever out performed the wrong people, some schools that meant beating the best nigger at 3 pointers in a shoot off or never missing a single block as a goalie in soccer or being the quarterback or kicker on the winning team. this drove whites in my area out of sports and because teams became 90% nigs most whites never even considered joining they either went for white people only sports if offered or melted into mall/hangout culture or videogames. In my middle school Soccer team was for spics, football and basketball were for nigs if you were in the wrong gang and were holding a spot on the team when the bigger gang wanted it its members would tell you to leave like it was a joke and then break your arm on the bus or have some of the older guys in the gang waiting for you when you got off.

We could improve so much with niggers out of the way, a weightlifting club, course, or team at a highschool where I'm from is actually unthinkable, niggers would steal shit, break the equipment or flooring, pick fights or jump line to use equipment.

The YMCA and churches had youth programs where whites could play sports and lift in peace. And at the time those programs were only a about the same price to get into as a school team. They typically had a lower focus on winning though because tryouts were more to see if the kids wanted to play than if the coaches wanted them. Might as well be organizing a lifting group that shares Xbox usernames at this point.

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I wont say who but i have family in one if the top tobacco companies in the US and I can tell you with absolute certainty taxes had a massive effect on cigarette consumption, everytime taxes have been raised industry growth has had to be revised down at this point the cigarette business is in decline from taxes they are only losing smokers. Taxes, alternatives, health education and shame are all a part of it.

Correlation or causation though? Keep in mind that at the same time there were heavy social engineering programs against smoking.

I agree with you on exercise. schools should seriously commit to improving physical education standards; frankly I think this has social, political, racial, and cultural issues tied up in it.

Yeah. I figure having some general standards would help, like stamina and strength, but leave it up to the student and the school to find specific methods of achieving those. Like offer a range of classes to students (wrestling, boxing, biathlon, track and field, soccer etc.) and let students pick the one that suits them.

Niggers dominate sports in public schools and this makes reasonable people who know to avoid the groid want to avoid those sports. I grew up in a heavily integrated school district, every public school kid I knew that was white and played sports got stomped out by a pack of niggers if they ever out performed the wrong people, some schools that meant beating the best nigger at 3 pointers in a shoot off or never missing a single block as a goalie in soccer or being the quarterback or kicker on the winning team. this drove whites in my area out of sports and because teams became 90% nigs most whites never even considered joining they either went for white people only sports if offered or melted into mall/hangout culture or videogames. In my middle school Soccer team was for spics, football and basketball were for nigs if you were in the wrong gang and were holding a spot on the team when the bigger gang wanted it its members would tell you to leave like it was a joke and then break your arm on the bus or have some of the older guys in the gang waiting for you when you got off.

Huh, interesting. I hadn't considered that a problem before. Makes me wonder how artificial black dominance in US professional sports might be.

We could improve so much with niggers out of the way, a weightlifting club, course, or team at a highschool where I'm from is actually unthinkable, niggers would steal shit, break the equipment or flooring, pick fights or jump line to use equipment.

Yeah. They don't have critical mass where I live, but their behaviour when I go abroad always catches me off guard.

The YMCA and churches had youth programs where whites could play sports and lift in peace. And at the time those programs were only a about the same price to get into as a school team. They typically had a lower focus on winning though because tryouts were more to see if the kids wanted to play than if the coaches wanted them. Might as well be organizing a lifting group that shares Xbox usernames at this point.

Honestly, private groups like that might be a better place to organise. Schools are always going to be wound up with all kinds of institutional lefty BS.

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Completely agree.

Further making the gob'ment the nanny state has never, will never work out. Sin taxes just tend to hurt poorer people and give the state more money. It's up to you to live your life how you want, not the gob'ment.

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Disagree, sin taxes have cut tobacco use and new addiction, it would serve the same purpose fir fructose and also make the 8ngredient economically inviable compared to glucose which isn't a poison.

Corporate predation being fought with government is not big government.

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I understand what your saying but consider the following:

Are eggs good or bad for you?

Is milk good or bad for you?

Should the bottom of the food pyramid be grains, pasta, bread etc?

is corn a "vegetable"

Is dietary cholesterol good or bad for you?

Is fat good or bad for you?

At some point gob'ment got ALL OF THESE THINGS wrong. Health science isn't settled, and varies by person/ethnicity. The gob'ment often tries to incentivize poor decisions because it's in their own interest, or they're deluded into thinking that it's in yours (mask, washing your hands a billion times, taking an experimental gene altering "vaccine" for a flu that almost certainly won't kill you) etc.

It's not clear that the sin taxes cut tobacco use; that's not clear at all. The people I knew who smoked prior to the obama cig taxes continued to do it, they just bitched about the cost more, or ordered them online, or at some reservation, or "knew a guy" who could get them much cheaper. Most middle class- wealthy people don't smoke anyway.

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Also, it creates a state of moral dependency where no one sees to their own soul and instead depend on corrupt politicians to make ethical decisions on their behalf. Moral agency is what separates men from beasts, give that up and we may as well formally declare ourselves cattle.

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Moral agency is what separates men from beasts

That and an awesome pair of opposable thumbs.