> However, economists don’t all agree on how close to the median income you actually have to be to qualify as middle class. > governments do not define social classes, society defines social classes. So firstly, obviously economists are not the government. Secondly, the one government agency you quoted merely specified the median income, and compared to other sections of society. From this Pew and some economists tried (but failed) to define classes, in North America. The government make no attempt to define classes in your source, which yet again does not say what you seem to think it does. Do you read what you post first or just post blind? Or more worryingly, are you unable to understand what you post? And now, most importantly, we’re talking about social class in Europe, not in the colonies. My first question was what does upper class mean in North America, and stated what it meant in Europe. This is the third time you’ve done this, and the third you’ve been called a retard for doing it. It obviously means a different thing in the colonies, that’s how this conversation started. To keep using colonial definitions to define european use of the terms in light of how this conversation started is therefore obviously pointless. To do it repeatedly is obviously retarded.