Look, you got a real war with vietnam Was it a problem? It's been a fucking problem my friend don't pretend otherwise and you know it What did you win with vietnam? Nothing, at all You got afghanistan, same deal, you got iraq, same deal, you got syria, same deal And what are those according to you? Fake wars? Well even fake wars then turn into quagmires, OBVIOUSLY So what makes you think a so called real war will be any better? You can't prevail in a fake one >>I don't know how we can further this conversation. What is this collective "we"? I can rub your nose in your own shit all day long You want to save the FED now with those wars? You don't make any sense