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so you trust freemasons huh? there are no experiments that I can perform to demonstrate movement or curvature. believe me I've looked. of course I can verify the freemason math- I'm not saying its incorrect. Math doesn't prove the earth to be a moving sphere though. Observationally, the earth is flat and motionless.

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Observationally, the earth is flat and motionless.

Observationally, I'm at the center of everything, there's nothing behind my head, and people outside my house cease to exist when I'm home.

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Perfect response. Thanks for the chuckle

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Solipsism is the only truth. Thats how you know we are in a simulation. Perhaps thats why the shape of the earth is a mystery to some.

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You literally can. This is nonsense. So much so that you can make predictions based on the math that match observations and outcomes of scientific experiments.

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What are the experiments i can perform to measure curve or motion please? I really want to do this to settle the issue for myself.

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Well, I'm not really prepared for this question and I'm not a scientist. Ostensibly, you are right that I can only judge the truth of a claim based ONLY on the work of others. I'm trusting them to tell me the truth as much as I am trusting anyone claiming flat earth stuff.

However, I can judge the veracity of each groups claims by proxy, comparing the predictions that each group makes. Overall, I estimate the globe model predictions to be so accurate that I can take a plane from the states to eu in like 12 hours.

Of course, they could all be conspiring and lying to me, but considering how no one that I know can keep a secret I suspect that is highly unlikely

I know, not very satisfactory at all.

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Just like there's nothing a passenger in your car can do to prove your car is moving. It might be that the highway and other cars are moving past your stationary vehicle.

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So youre saying relativity is relative... gotcha. Based on vision alone, yes youre correct that it would be impossible to prove motion in the car. But there are a number of experiments one could perform to make this determination otherwise. The problem is, these experiments would relate to the friction the tires experience or the wind resistance from the atmosphere. These things dont exist for a massive rock hurdling through a vacuum so performing similar experiments is out of the question. From what i understand, its not possible to prove the earth is moving while on the earth, and i believe even Einstein commented, that for the sake of calculation, it matters not if you imagine the earth to be stationary with the entire universe revolving around us as the results will be the same. In other words, math is the only evidence in favor of a moving earth. No physical data (thus far).

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Motion is relative. Without a reference point there is no such thing as motion.