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Lets help this blob of cells meet his maker!

Lets help this blob of cells meet his maker!

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[–] [deleted] 16 pts

In a way, he's right - you can definitely subtly influence some of the people - that was proven in the 50s when they would flash messages on the movie screen that were not observable by the conscious mind but the subconscious mind would pick them up and then many people would act on the message - for example - buy a coke. This practice was banned because it was so powerful. Of course, we suspect they still do this - that's why no matter what you tell TV watchers about the dangers of the experimental shot, you can rarely break their programming and most of them end up getting the jab.

However, to equate that with not having a soul or free will is ludicrous.

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And once any sort of objective morality has been jettisoned by the oligarchy, as it was really starting in the 18th century with Liberalism (E Michael Jones' Libido Dominandi is a great reference for this... as well as a great doorstop or projectile weapon), people become far more easily controlled through their passions and vices. Technology might make this easier by putting pr0n in your hands 24/7, but the ultimate problem is lack of virtue and morality.

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I start with the premise that at some point, with technological "progress" and the trillions invested in the surveillance state, people will no longer have the privacy of their own mind, because of some technology

"When" will that happen? I can't tell, I'm not a "psychic". But I certainly wouldn't bet the house on "will never happen", pretty sure it's going to be a thing, because that's ultimately what "you" want, from a control freak standpoint, and again the will and the capital required for it to become a reality isn't what's lacking

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It's a toss up. I think we are on the verge of getting a bunch of tech that will end up breaking the trend for everything to centralize. Don't need massive conglomerates making consumer goods when 3d printing tech gets a little better and you can print most of them. Theres still some challenges here but i think potentially these machines will be able to print and assemble the electronic parts of items as well. Distributed mesh networks will become more prevalent with better wireless tech like 5g. You wont be tied into a backbone that's easy to collect everything or firewall wrong thinkers at as you will end up getting to any destination through an arbitrary path of network connections made through other clients. I think its far more likely everything collapses before they can establish a technocratic dystopia or any of these systems become widely available.

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I get what you mean and I agree that ultimately they'll likely fail miserably in their attempt at taking over the world essentially, and that as a result, a huge chunk of society/civilization will be lost, will all or in part collapse in the process. And we'll get the bill handed to us, as usual since thousands of years, don't count on them to own their mistakes. Same shit different day.

But I think you're underestimating the "environment" here, when you state:

>3d printing tech gets a little better and you can print most of them. Theres still some challenges here but i think potentially these machines will be able to print and assemble the electronic parts of items as well. Distributed mesh networks will become more prevalent with better wireless tech like 5g.

You're thinking/visualizing things from a "free and open" society standpoint

Now rethink the above, not from a US citizen POV, but from the POV of a saudi citizen for instance... "They" control the supply lines, "they" control the legal boundaries

It's not like we're living in a libertarian social order, to put it simply

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that was proven in the 50s when they would flash messages on the movie screen that were not observable by the conscious mind but the subconscious mind would pick them up and then many people would act on the message - for example - buy a coke

Is there footage of this?

[–] [deleted] 7 pts

Fucking jew is my guess. I had to stop the vid. Can we drone him?

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No guess about it. He's an Israeli born and raised.

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Looked him up, he's a gay israeli historian married to another gay israeli historian and his top sellers are revisionist history about human kind and a sequel claiming man will become God.

Fucking kikes.

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man will become God.

Well duh, it's not as if man didn't relentlessly try to become just that since forever

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Every

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Fucking jew is my guess. I had to stop the vid. Can we drone him?

He didn't say he enjoyed the idea of what he was talking about, I take it more as a cautionary warning, at the end of the video he clearly states that "we" can no longer pretend those techs and scientific methods to control human behavior don't exist

i heard him giving a warning also.

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To me he doesn't seem to enjoy the whole idea he's exposing, he's calling for reforms, and that call is legitimate, it's true that congress men are mostly tech dumb and are therefore mostly unfit to argue back and forth against a tech guy like zuckerberg when they accuse him of this and that and he replies "no we don't do that". Yeah... How can you prove him wrong when you don't even begin to grasp the inner workings of his shit. It's like me trying to argue semantics in arab with an actual arab while I can't read or understand arab in the first place.

Now, having said that... Are the reforms he's proposing really a solution for "our problems" as opposed to (((our problems)))

In the end, that's where the debate ends up landing ultimately, as usual

He's a jew. He's framing it in an "I don't approve of this, go, I mean guys, but it's you... I mean our inevitable future," when in reality he's saying, "this is what we're going to do to you, you filthy goyim!"

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In that same line of reasoning, maybe you are a jew purposely pushing antisemitism for the benefit of the ADL?

Why not?

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Jewish narcissistic projection. I 100% agree jews have no free will as they are slaves to their father the devil.

[–] [deleted] 6 pts

This is why corporate communism is working. It took me awhile to figure out how or why major brands don’t fear backlash after going woke. This is why. They manufacture their own demand at this point. The consumer is essentially voiceless.

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Consumers buy exactly what they are told to buy, and what they are told to buy is their identity.

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I think it's more because they are virtual monopolies/oligopolies. And even where they "compete", their stocks are owned by the same people.

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He's right about the hacking, mega corps use data to manipulate everyone, your google newsfeed is driven to control your thinking, corporate media is about controlling your thoughts, 30-50% of people have no internal monologue.

It seems to me he isn't saying we should be hacking people, he's saying we should be reforming institutions in society to prevent the human hackers from controlling our society.

I fundamentally agree with that notion, we should break up mega corps, reform democracy to be limited to the most hacking resistant/immune class of people, install inalienable rights to privacy including our data. Create stronger cyber security mandates that include simplification of our various communications systems, killing the internet of things in favor of analog or local nets.

I could go on but but I think some transhumanism is inevitable and our legal framework is in total disarray and cant possible keep up with the insanity coming.

To be clear his stupid shit about soullessness is obviously edgy tech oligarch atheism, it's wrong and based on his own biases of seeing humans as predictable data points and the web 1.0 indoctrination he received as a young man.

Edit; looked him up, he is a gay kike married to another faggot kike, and he writes about man becoming God.

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What’s more is that lawmakers are completely clueless on tech. They aren’t equipped to even sit down at a table to start to dig on things. It’s such a dog and pony show whenever they call google or Facebook to Capitol Hill. They literally sit there and say “Nah...we aren’t doing what you accuse us of” and the politicians have no response, because they can’t respond, because they’re out of their depth.

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What illiterate asshole downvoted this?!

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Press info and it will tell you

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Wow.... I feel so dumb for never clicking that before. Thanks!

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too bad that only shows downvotes, not upvotes as well.

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I'm reading through these comments and transhumanism is much more than sophisticated marketing, controlling information and choices. It's fundamentally about removing what's human from you, not them. This is talmudic Tikum Olam...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikkun_olam

The earliest use of the term tikkun olam comes in the phrase mip'nei tikkun ha-olam, "for the sake of repairing the world", which appears in the Mishnah with the meaning of amending the law in order to keep society well-functioning.

By "repairing the world" they mean they create a slave race of browns that they will rule over. This is the basis of communism. corporatism, monetarism and literally all forms of top down tyranny.

If something isn't done soon gen z will be last generation of unmodified humans and gen x will be the last generation to truly know freedom.

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You can only "choose" based on what you perceive to be true. If you control the environment, you control perception directly while indirectly controlling choice.

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He makes a good point on humans being hackable. Just look at the subtle and not so subtle crap TV programmers are putting on their shows and adds. To those not paying attention they make the abnormal look normal.

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Can't tell if Harari is gloating or sounding caution.

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i believe this is also working extremely well with modern music. have you heard the kind of utter crap that passes as mega hits these days. they know they don't have to try anymore, they just make it, have some e celeb or big name behind it with a flashy trendy music video and it's consoomed. very sad days here.

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Marketing has been hacking people for thousands of years. Children do it to their own parents before they even learn to speak.

What he does't understand is the soul is quite real. You can leave your body. Life after death is not only real, the real question is is it even possible for us to die? While the third dimension seems real enough, we, our souls, are not necessarily from here.

We may be from elsewhere, and just come here to visit.

Some of us may have been coming here for thousands of years.

Your first out of body experience makes much of this quite clear to you.

Talk about a wake up call.

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Nature is one big hacking machine. There's no way to control things forever. If you think you have control over other people, you don't, and they'll eventually evolve and kill your ass. If you want to rule the world, you'll forever be looking over your shoulder in fear of the next guy stabling you in the back or silting your throat.

You're far better off letting nature take its course, not seeking to control everything and to avoid being controlled.

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