He said CDC numbers, which the VAERS data(in my opinion) would be what is being referred to, because it is the only database used to track this kind of information on any "formal" scale. They do not have any other numbers to refer to that the public is aware of. They (the CDC themselves) also vet this information before they put it in the database and assign it a number. They are woefully behind in spite of very low report percentages. There are good videos out there explaining how to pull numbers. It takes a few minutes to play with it to get the hang of it. The things that were not explained in the videos I watched are: Each number for each incident can be clicked and it will take you to a detailed page that gives things like date and lot number of each injection, patient history with both illness and medications, often a brief but sometimes detailed history surrounding the death/complications. It will time out on you. A lot. You'll have to reload. Be ready to be aggravated if you're digging for specific information. There is a max query limit on the data. It'll give you totals but you can only view the report if it's under a magic number. I'm not sure what it is, but it's less than 200. This means you often have to refine your search to even more specific parameters because there are so many deaths and injuries. Prepared to be pissed. Enjoy. I'm glad you're interested. Try to show others and they get a glazed look in their eyes.