She looks attractive but I finally have realized that so many of these women their looks are really their makeup. So now instead of saying she looks good I say her makeup looks good. She's just chosen lip color and eyeliner color and skin tone and hair color that makes a good combination. And without it her face would be kind of round and pugnosed I don't think her eyes would be that great. It's funny whenever she starts one of these podcasts you always see her turning her face a little bit to the side and checking how she looks when the camera first comes on