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The situation we find ourselves in is beyond serious. Not to put too fine a point on it, but what we are faced with is quite literally life and death. All this talk of national divorce let alone the fantasy of reconciliation or even of accommodation is just that. Pure fantasy. They are the party of death. And in order to validate their own existence, we cannot be allowed to live. Our existence, left to its own devices would create a society of happy, fulfilled, prosperous, peaceful and free individuals.

We are not merely political rivals. To view us that way would confer upon us a status of equality and legitimacy that is antithetical to their beliefs. In their eyes, what we believe is racist, sexist, bigoted, xenophobic and homophobic. The land we inhabit has been declared stolen. Our history and heritage a lie and/or a usurpation. Our achievements and prosperity were built on the backs of slave labor and exploitation of the poor. And on and on. This has been a more or less constant drumbeat since at least the end of World War 2, but it has grown louder and more percussive, especially over the last 10 years or so.

Now that they’ve essentially captured the nation and overthrown our government, along with large swathes of our society, economy and crucially academia, there is no red line they dare not cross. If the actions of James Hodgkinson, BLM/Antifa or even the more than likely malice aforethought actions of Angel of Death Cuomo in slaughtering thousands of elderly nursing home residents doesn’t convince you, nothing will.

-[paraphrased] JJ. Sefton

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And in order to validate their own existence, we cannot be allowed to live. Our existence, left to its own devices would create a society of happy, fulfilled, prosperous, peaceful and free individuals.

This is exactly what I see as well. Assuming we could balkanize and create a new country they would infiltrate and destroy that new country in a decade or two. Also, they want to destroy the country, its history, and its inhabitants; so they would happily nuke the whole country and die in the process before letting us go free.

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Damn it. A civil war or break up is what Jews wanted.

This isn't the answer.

The answer is take back the country. The WHOLE country.

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The answer is take back the country. The WHOLE country.

I'm not convinced that's really the best solution. There's no way you're going to convert the deep blue voters to return to founding principles. I don't think it's worth it to try.

One theoretical outcome of a multi-state solution is that the cross-migration of like minded citizens will force the new nations to survive on their own policies, instead of being propped up by the other states. New Jersey, for instance, will likely collapse under its own weight and ask to be readmitted into the fold.

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There's no way you're going to convert the deep blue voters

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He believes (((vote results)))

SAD

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SAD

But, as we've discussed, it's not necessarily me and my beliefs that have any significant impact. If normies as a whole view things one way and act accordingly, it has impact.

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Jews want people to do nothing and to allow them to continue to flood the country with non-Whites. They absolutely don't want a civil war as that would mean their 130 million non-White puppets being put to death and them being expelled or killed themselves.

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Theyd love nothing more. Look at history. War and death is their bread and butter. Elite untouchable jews dont care about jewus vulgaris. They have and will happily sacrifice lower jews along with everything else.

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Wars between Whites are what they want, not wars between Whites and their non-White pets infecting White nations.

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The civil war idea is stupid.

There are other ways to fight.

Take back the media and you take back the country

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The answer is to split up. Then let the illegals, niggers and leftists destroy themselves. THEN take back the whole country

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Nope. Leaves us completely open to foreign invasion. Only Jews support the notion of civil war or succession. Never mind the two largest deep water ports in the US are currently in enemy hands in NY and CA.

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If that's what you want, secession is still a necessary first step.

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Disagree. jews want balkanization. jews fear the fuck out of a civil war.

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They fear a crusade. There should be a crusade against the filth of this country.

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I've had it with conservatives who continue to prop up Lincoln as a great president.

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Yes, the president directly responsible for the more American deaths of all time - CLEARLY one of the greatest!

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I've had it with conservatives who continue to prop up Lincoln as a great president.

I've never understood that either. OK, maybe when I was a little kid and we learned about presidents in school, but not since digging into it more.

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Same here. Schools propped him up and back then why would you assume anything otherwise.

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leaving the union is in our best interest, even though it would more than likely lead to foreign interference. however, if we dont clean house first, the rats with certainly make our sinking faster.

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leaving the union is in our best interest, even though it would more than likely lead to foreign interference. however, if we dont clean house first, the rats with certainly make our sinking faster.

I've shared quite a few articles / columns / opinion pieces on a split, mostly because I find the topic fascinating. I see three new nations as the outcome; not two. Regardless, your point about foreign interference is my biggest concern.

Yes, the Chinese, Russians, and Israelis are already meddling in our affairs to their benefit. Yes, that influence needs to be scoured free from the "traditional" remnant of the USA if it is to survive on its own. However, there will be no way for it to be removed from the Republic of California and/or whatever the northeast states call themselves. We'd have borders on our east and west that would need to be closely watched in addition to the Mexico and Canada borders.

A three-state solution will be hard to achieve and harder to maintain.

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DIXIE will be just fine.

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DIXIE will be just fine.

You said that the last time. ;-)

The south will still need to purge outside influence before it has a chance.

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yeah, i agree with that as well. however, id rather see us go down trying for anything, rather than atrophy in a sea of faggy whimper, accomplishing nothing. there is probably not a solution, because we lack a considerable supply of actual men. i ask myself daily, of what i am prepared to do, and my answer changes daily. someone needs to pull this bandaid off now and just let the wound drain.

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id rather see us go down trying for anything

Oh, hell yeah. I totally agree. This slow descent into socialist hell is agonizing.

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WE ALL GOWNA DIE!!!!

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We must treat both right and left, conservative and liberal, republican and Democrat, as if they were but one single party, it is impractical, at this point, to pretend that thet are not working in concert as the servant of the same masters, and that all the fighting between them over their differences is nought but a show to placate the masses, and distract them from the true events that are going on behind the scenes, and the real players involved in them who are the ones that actually hold the power.

If a civil war happens in response to a call for secession, it will not be a split between the two parties, but between both of these parties and a third party that acts as a challenger to them, this third party will gather up all the malcontents and disaffected together and take them towards sone campaign for a national divorce type secessionist movement, at that point the country's powers will try to crush them, and they will either succeed or fail, if the secessionist are prepared to fight, able to fight, and most importantly willing to fight, then the crushing will fail, and there will be war, otherwise, it's goingbto be some time before another secessionist movement arrives, and it will arrive not in a peaceful or political form, but one that is violent from the beginning, they will target law enforcers and national defense forces, with countless civilians getting killed in the middle of the crossfire, which the rebels, if capable of winning, would write off as acceptable sacrifices for the good of the cause, this would be a "troubles" type situation, where a fight breaks out over national identity and right to leave between a rebel force and the government of a developed first world nation. Sometimes these movements succeed and the government is either driven off, allowing the victor's to claim their independence, or a loss, as seen in the "troubles" example, in such a case there will be serious punishments meted out to the rebels and their supporters, as was the case with the good old boys of the IRA.

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Because there good and resources are in 'red'. Child rape and banks are in blue...

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How would this 'war' even be fought? It's not like everyone would be wearing uniforms

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I'm not sure who at this point wants a peaceful separation anyway. Non-Whites and their jew owners deserve to pay.

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Texas should help liberate all of us in southern New Mexico and take the oil fields. We are not a blue state outside of Santa Fe.

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