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I'll wait.

I'll wait.

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[–] 8 pts

because fuck you that's why

[–] [deleted] 6 pts (edited )

Everyone here is either totally wrong, or somewhat wrong. Please read this comment in full.

It all comes down to an unholy mixture of speed governors, adaptive cruise control (which involves RADAR), control lockouts, weight differences + terrain + make/model/engine/final drive combo, pay per mile, strict timeframes, strict safety departments, insurance mandates, FMCSA scores, and plain ol' impatience.

MPG has little to do with it, nor does impeding traffic just for the sake of being an asshole. Let's break it all down:

Let's start with speed governors. Common governed speeds are 63, 65, and 68. Some companies have split governors with lower speeds on pedal and higher with cruise (E.G 58/62, 62/66, 64/68, etc).

Now let's add in adaptive cruise control, which detects future grades both up and down, is sattelite driven via GPS for terrain, while the RADAR can detect distance, speed, and closing speed to the vehicle ahead. It can automatically slow down trucks up to 4.5s behind if the company's safety department is super anal. Some trucks can override the auto-decelerate by holding the pedal down, while others a press of the pedal brings the cruise speed down to the non and slows the truck down. A driver in this case must initiate a pass from upwards 500ft behind the proceeding vehicle. There may be only .5-2mph difference. A pass initiated must be committed to complete, or aborted (if the driver has an sense or regard to impedence). A truck iniating a pass at these distances at let's say, 400ft- would take 2.5minutes tk safely pass the truck in the way that is traveling 1mph slower.

Then you have weight, terrain, and powertain differences. A truck in front may be faster, but heavier and have a weaker drive train. This can be a frustrsting experience to the driver closing the gap. They might initiate a pass with an advantage, then quickly lose it. Another tactic with drivers of slower fleets, such as Prime, is to "Hill Bomb". Those fuckers are SLOW, but will drop into neutral and coast overspeed at 20mph+ over the limit downhill and fight passers. Some company safety depsrtments closely monitor and punisg overspeeds, while others don't. The perfect storm is when slow companies don't care about overspeed.

Then there's the impatience. A driver may have been stuck behind another truck for 3+Hrs and is finally saying "fuck it all, I'm passing this shithead if it's the last thing I do". That can take time, but it IS best to abort if traffic builds up behind you as not to impede.

I'm not even going to cover make/model/engine/drivetrain differences, nor FMSCA and insurance impact, but they each factor into all of the above.

Nor will I cover MPG; most truckers ARE NOT O/O, and most company drivers do not get efficiency incentives. Most O/O or L/Ps pass when they want, fuel be damned, while company drivers usually have zero reason to care.

Please have patience with truckers; most hate impeding traffic but are doing what they must. The respectful ones abort when traffic builds up, but if they don't, remember that it might be their 7th attempt! There are a lot of niggers driving nig rigs, and I find they more often than not, are the ones causing the issues. Also, while I try not to disparage boomers as much as others, boomer drivers are often some of the most entitled, arrogant, disrespectful fuckers on the road- third only to niggers and street shitters.

Edit: I'm not going to fix my spelling errors or formatting, but will admit that I'm a trucker. I have avoided admitting it on POAL even though most goats know this. I was just awarded driver of the year out of ~4,000 company drivers in my fleet. I know a thing or two about this (really, I only covered a third of a half of it). If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.

Edit 2: True passing etiquette works both ways, including the person being passed. A good driver will let a frustrated passing driver do so by dropping cruise a few mph to let the other pass along with traffic, then make it up if need be at an opportune moment. Of course, equipment calibration can severely hamper this. Beancounters and safety theorists hinder real world situations that rarely reflect models, and make it all-the-more difficult. I am outspoken in my beliefs in the matter and my company's vice president has personlly admit that I'm right and that the board is reviewing adaptive cruise algorithms. You'd be scared to know how much modern drivers are merely steering wheel holders and how little control over the trucks they have- in some cases they can't even lock a gear in or downshift! My company will soon be "giving back more control to the drivers". How they fuck it up next is yet to be determined, and I work for a good company.

Food for thought. Again, ask me anything.

Again, ask me anything.

To your knowledge, have there been any truckers adept enough with tech that have been able to mitigate or completely bypass some of these governers/restrictions/monitors? Maybe someone who figured out how to manipulate the data input/output of one or more of these devices?

Yes; it depends on the make, model, year, and conpany's unique flashing of the trucks. Some trucks have famous workarounds, while others are practically foolproof.

Paccar trucks (Peterbilt/Kenworth) tend to have the most work arounds/bypasses. Follwed up by Volvo/Mack. Freightliner is the worst and totally compromised; a well-flashed truck leaves no tricks or bypasses unless explicitly programmed in.

International? Unknown. Those trucks are shit, and I don't care.

Thanks man. One more, and I'll go away.

If a trucker were to ask Hackaclause for a Hacksmas gift, what would that be?

[–] 4 pts

Because the majority of truck drivers are window licking retards, who have a god complex and generally an inability to work with people and or form meaningful relationships.

That's why they do a job that isolates them from "friends" and "family" for long periods at a time.

[–] 6 pts

That's why they do a job that isolates them from "friends" and "family" for long periods at a time.

Says the man who comes to poal.

[–] 2 pts

You must be a truck driver that likes causing needless backups to save yourself 15 minutes on a thousand mile drive.

[–] 3 pts

A lot of it has to do with remote monitoring systems. Getting struck behind a heavy that constantly has to climb hills at 38mph is incredibly frustrating, especially if their shift points don't match yours because of their load. When a passing lane finally presents itself after 40 minutes of struggling behind an underpowered tractor, the natural reaction is to make the pass. Unfortunately, a lot of rigs have engines governed at 63mph or remote monitoring systems that automatically dock pay when speed violations are detected. If that underpowered load decides to speed up on a straightaway halfway into the pass, an awkward stalemate can ensue, especially when the vehicle being passed is driven by someone with poor driving etiquette.

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governed at 63mph

63.... 63ish.

[–] 3 pts

Truck driver here. Because the truck that was getting passed was doing a half mile an hour slower and with big rigs its all about momentum and if it's a hilly area you can climb faster when lighter. If it's on flat ground you're just fucked. But yeah that's why. .5 miles an hour difference.

[–] [deleted] 2 pts

lol even the slow truck didn't want to be stuck behind an even slower truck.

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no we dont because of the fuel it takes to speed back up, with these prices i'll just hit the cruise at 66mph and stay in the right lane. I'll let everyone else go around. Fuel is 5+ dollars a gallon, im not going fast and im not going far these days

Don't you save on fuel going behind another truck?

[–] 2 pts

it wasn't even 0.5 mph difference, it had to be like 0.1 mph

[–] 6 pts

yep, still going slower and its either petal to the floor or sit 100 feet back and hear a beeping noise. Sorry for the inconvenience though, i really hate when I have to do that to a long line of cars. I do feel like a dick. But in reality, the slower truck is suppose to slow down to let the truck on the left pass, but since all these fucking nogs and shitskins are driving trucks now there is not really a common driver etiquette anymore. fucking foreigners

[–] 2 pts

But in reality, the slower truck is suppose to slow down to let the truck on the left pass

If I were a traffic cop, I'd write tickets for failure to do this just like I'd ticket cars who never ever get out of the left lane.

[–] 1 pt

Yeah I would figure truckers would cooperate a bit more with each other

[–] 1 pt

I drive on the interstate a lot.

I FEEL YOU!

Yea pass another truck when you can only go like 2mph faster than the truck your passing. Oh that's ok Ill slow down from 80mpg to 55 so YOU can pass.

[–] 1 pt

and they both were going like 15 under...

[–] 1 pt

It's a well know fact that all truckers are fags. They were looking at each other while furiously jerking off.

This is also the cause of ALL truck traffic accidents.

[–] 1 pt

This has 2 names

"Mexican rat trap"

aka

getting "truck fucked"

[–] 1 pt

I don't know. I know if you notice that shit going on in your rear view, and decide to slow down to where one of them is going to have to either brake or run into you, they suddenly find the means to accelerate.

[–] 1 pt

Maybe they knew about a cop car that the other drivers didn't know about.

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but 15 under!?

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They are usually paid by the mile, and only have 10 hours to drive. I am sure that they are optimizing earnings based on fuel consumption, speed, and legal speed limits and arrive at a best cruise control number for them which does not suit me so well. And momentum, did not think of that.

[–] 0 pt

You are very much overestimating the intelligence of brain dead truck drivers.