So, who here actually believes in objective evil?

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The state of today's world would suggest objective evil exists.

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I am not a man,

I am a little mouse,

I travel through the sewers,

Into a little house,

I do believe in Evil,

I do believe in Dread,

Because if I didn't,

I'd be fucked in the head.

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That is the sweetest little poem.

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love u bro

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Sadism is objective evil. Wanting to hurt others, for the sake of hurting them, is evil. A person can commit genocide and not even be evil. They would have to want the victims to feel the pain, not just seek an objective.

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Wanting to hurt others, for the sake of hurting them, is evil

It looks evil when seen from the outside

Pain and sorrow sometimes make people do such things, it's not really evil in my book, it's more of idk, payback somehow

For the justice system, western one, intent matters when it comes to crime

That's what makes the difference between manslaughter, and murder

In the bible it's not written you shall not kill

Most people believe that's what's written, but that's not what it says

It says you shall not murder

Which is quite different

https://www.biblehub.com/exodus/20-13.htm

The king james among others says "shall not kill"

But the Young's Literal Translation for instance says 'Thou dost not murder.

It's murder, because kill doesn't make sense

You have a car accident you kill a pedestrian you go to hell? It's ridiculous, it's an accident

Murder (first degree) requires intent and premeditation

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But, the fact that god said it's a capital sin, is it enough to qualify it as evil deed?

Imagine you're a jew and you murder hitler (caricatural example for normies)

Is that evil? ... (if we start with the premise of 6 million) What's evil? Murdering him or letting him live? While there are no doubts regarding his intentions toward jews...

It's not simple those stories of good and evil

Maybe I'm wrong, but as far as I know, nowhere in the bible is evil defined

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The devil is in the Bible (40 days and 40 nights in the desert). Not sure if that's a direct example, but meh.

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Yeah at best it's described as supernatural being

Implying that, objective evil exists I think, according to the bible of course

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While I mostly agree I could imagine it has some evolutionary purpose. Predators like lions are probably at least a little sadistic I would assume.

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I think they simply are incapable of giving a single fuck about what the their meal feels or think

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Cats play with their prey though.

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Not in a supernatural sense, but I do believe in objective evil. I would put such things as animal cruelty, rape, and serial murders in that category.

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To allow the evil ones to live is kind of evil too.

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You're missing what objective evil is.

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Holy dogshit they put the scarlet letter on ya! Haha!

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Right? What kind of gay shit is this?

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What's evil to begin with?

What's darkness? The absence of light

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Evil seems to be defined by absence of good

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil

Warning, long ass dfinition

Evil, in a general sense, is the opposite or absence of good. It can be an extremely broad concept, though in everyday usage is often used more narrowly to denote profound wickedness. It is generally seen as taking multiple possible forms, such as the form of personal moral evil commonly associated with the word, or impersonal natural evil (as in the case of natural disasters or illnesses), and in religious thought, the form of the demonic or supernatural/eternal.[1]

Evil can denote profound immorality,[2] but typically not without some basis in the understanding of the human condition, where strife and suffering (cf. Hinduism) are the true roots of evil. In certain religious contexts, evil has been described as a supernatural force.[2] Definitions of evil vary, as does the analysis of its motives.[3] Elements that are commonly associated with personal forms of evil involve unbalanced behavior involving anger, revenge, fear, hatred, psychological trauma, expediency, selfishness, ignorance, destruction or neglect.[4]

Evil is sometimes perceived as the dualistic antagonistic binary opposite to good,[5] in which good should prevail and evil should be defeated.[6] In cultures with Buddhist spiritual influence, both good and evil are perceived as part of an antagonistic duality that itself must be overcome through achieving Nirvana.[6] The philosophical questions regarding good and evil are subsumed into three major areas of study:[7] Meta-ethics concerning the nature of good and evil, Normative ethics concerning how we ought to behave, and Applied ethics concerning particular moral issues. While the term is applied to events and conditions without agency, the forms of evil addressed in this article presume an evildoer or doers.

Some religions and philosophies deny evil's existence and usefulness in describing people.

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Ok

Results may vary...

What's evil for he cosmos? When the moon collides the earth and everybody dies on earth, is it evil?

No, it's a side effect of a physical phenomenon, ie, the collision of two space rocks, but there's no good or evil in this phenomenon IF occuring naturally... If someone made it happen, then yeah.... We can start talking about evil I guess...

Is there evil when the crocodile eats a mamal alive? No, that's just nature... Life and death cycle...

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Read backward, evil gives live

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We talk about good vs evil, not good vs bad....

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Well, I guess I'll just leave it at "evil is what we do... Or not"...

While I struggle to define evil, and therefore define objective evil.... What I DO KNOW, however, is that malevolence, as opposed to benevolence, is real and not subjective....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malevolence

Evil Hostility Malice (law) Sadism, the experience of feeling pleasure from the pain of others.

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/malevolent

"Having or showing a wish to do evil to others."

lol nice try

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/malevolent

1: having, showing, or arising from intense often vicious ill will, spite, or hatred 2: productive of harm or evil

Yeah not bad, but not quite that

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/fr/dictionnaire/anglais/malevolent

causing or wanting to cause harm or evil:

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Ok, from there, it's safe to assume that the prerequisite for evil is malovence

So, when you're deliberately causing arm, to others, you're comitting evil...? What about self defense then? Are you benevolent toward yourself or malevolent toward the "enemy" while using self defense?

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It's a tough one to crack

It feels like evil is like balck holes, you can only outline the edges of it, you can't really "point" at it as an "object"

But in the end, evil is more than just the absence of good, unless if our universe is inherently evil, then, if there's no good, there's evil. But I don't think the universe is inherently evil

So evil, is not only the absence of good, but also a deliberate will to not do good/let good prevail

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Ok that was my best shot for today

I guess that answers your question (yes, objective evil exists, when there's a deliberate will to prevent good from happening, you're into the objective evil's realm)

Now what is good... I guess that's the poitn at which the conclusion above eventually turns false

..Eventually.

Also, found this

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.philosophy/tTuAy8agBHo

Objective, independent definition of Evil:

  Taking away, hindering, preventing or destroying the possibility
  or ability of people actively to enjoy Life.

  The (hidden) Joy of taking away, hindering, preventing or
  destroying the possibility or ability of people actively to
  enjoy Life.

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Yeah that's pretty much what I ended up with

What's evil to begin with? What's darkness? The absence of light "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Evil seems to be defined by absence of good https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil Warning, long ass dfinition **Evil, in a general sense, is the opposite or absence of good.** It can be an extremely broad concept, though in everyday usage is often used more narrowly to denote profound wickedness. It is generally seen as taking multiple possible forms, such as the form of personal moral evil commonly associated with the word, or impersonal natural evil (as in the case of natural disasters or illnesses), and in religious thought, the form of the demonic or supernatural/eternal.[1] Evil can denote profound immorality,[2] but typically not without some basis in the understanding of the human condition, where **strife and suffering (cf. Hinduism) are the true roots of evil.** In certain religious contexts, evil has been described as a **supernatural force**.[2] Definitions of evil vary, as does the analysis of its motives.[3] Elements that are commonly associated with personal forms of evil involve unbalanced behavior involving anger, revenge, fear, hatred, psychological trauma, expediency, selfishness, ignorance, destruction or neglect.[4] Evil is sometimes perceived as the dualistic antagonistic **binary opposite to good**,[5] in which good should prevail and evil should be defeated.[6] In cultures with Buddhist spiritual influence, both good and evil are perceived as part of an antagonistic duality that itself must be overcome through achieving Nirvana.[6] The philosophical questions regarding good and evil are subsumed into three major areas of study:[7] Meta-ethics concerning the nature of good and evil, Normative ethics concerning how we ought to behave, and Applied ethics concerning particular moral issues. While the term is applied to events and conditions without agency, the forms of evil addressed in this article **presume an evildoer or doers**. **Some religions and philosophies deny evil's existence** and usefulness in describing people. ... Ok Results may vary... What's evil for he cosmos? When the moon collides the earth and everybody dies on earth, is it evil? No, it's a side effect of a physical phenomenon, ie, the collision of two space rocks, but there's no good or evil in this phenomenon IF occuring naturally... If someone made it happen, then yeah.... We can start talking about evil I guess... Is there evil when the crocodile eats a mamal alive? No, that's just nature... Life and death cycle... ... Read backward, evil gives live ... We talk about good vs evil, not good vs bad.... ... Well, I guess I'll just leave it at "evil is what we do... Or not"... While I struggle to define evil, and therefore define objective evil.... What I DO KNOW, however, is that malevolence, as opposed to benevolence, is real and not subjective.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malevolence Evil Hostility Malice (law) Sadism, the experience of feeling pleasure from the pain of others. https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/malevolent "Having or showing a wish to do evil to others." lol nice try https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/malevolent 1: having, showing, or arising from intense often vicious ill will, spite, or hatred 2: **productive of harm** or evil Yeah not bad, but not quite that https://dictionary.cambridge.org/fr/dictionnaire/anglais/malevolent causing or **wanting to cause harm** or evil: ... Ok, from there, it's safe to assume that the prerequisite for evil is malovence So, when you're deliberately causing arm, to others, you're comitting evil...? What about self defense then? Are you benevolent toward yourself or malevolent toward the "enemy" while using self defense? ... It's a tough one to crack It feels like evil is like balck holes, you can only outline the edges of it, you can't really "point" at it as an "object" But in the end, evil is more than just the absence of good, unless if our universe is inherently evil, then, if there's no good, there's evil. But I don't think the universe is inherently evil So evil, is not only the absence of good, but also a deliberate will to not do good/let good prevail ... Ok that was my best shot for today I guess that answers your question (yes, objective evil exists, when there's a deliberate will to prevent good from happening, you're into the objective evil's realm) Now what is good... I guess that's the poitn at which the conclusion above eventually turns false ..Eventually. Also, found this https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.philosophy/tTuAy8agBHo Objective, independent definition of Evil: Taking away, hindering, preventing or destroying the possibility or ability of people actively to enjoy Life. The (hidden) Joy of taking away, hindering, preventing or destroying the possibility or ability of people actively to enjoy Life. ... Yeah that's pretty much what I ended up with

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I define objective evil simply as any inclination towards destruction/death. (As opposed to good - creation/life).

This applies on an individual level (personal sins that corrupt the soul and damage the sinners health, but harm no one else directly), as well as a communal level (societal social decay, submission to government/communism, and the economic effects of such).

I actually disagree with your assertion that sadism is objectively evil. Consider it in the context of a Serpent-Seed Reptilian or Jew, who's soul literally feeds off of the suffering energy generated when it tortures and drinks the blood of a human child - this is a direct parallel to your example of the crocodile eating a mammal - it's just nature, the Jew is just doing what it needs to do to survive. This looks evil from the perspective of our human bloodline, and negligently allowing it to happen certainly is, but for the Reptilian bloodline it is a good thing that needs to happen for that bloodline to prosper. This is a bloodline competition and it is always good to do what moves your own bloodline towards creation and life.

Hence it is objectively good to secure the existence of our race and a future for white children.

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I honestly don't know what I think..

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Better figure it out or someone else might do your thinking for you.

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Child rape. It objectively destroys quality of life.

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Counterpoint: adversity assures fitter survivors.

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I would say yes, but I'm not sure I believe in objective objectivity.

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There do seem to be some patterns of abusive behavior that hint towards that.

Does objective evil mean or imply that it comes from a superhuman/supernatural source?

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That's actually a really interesting distinction to make.

There is no good reason objective evil would need to be linked to anything supernatural, right?

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I suppose not. But that seems to be what people sometimes get at when they say objective evil -- a metaphysical evil. Something that humans channel rather than create.

If objective evil were not supernatural, than the counterclaim to believing in it would be that whether something is evil or not depends on the circumstances. So maybe eating a baby is ok if the ends justify the means or something? I HAVE TO EAT THIS BABY, IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE HUMANITY FROM CERTAIN DESTRUCTION.