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So you're positioning your theory against the theory that says Covid-19 is a common cold. I'd just revise that to suggest that the 'other' theory says Covid-19 is more like an influenza virus than a cold virus. So by contrast, yours says that Covid-19 is engineered.

What I want to ask is: for what purpose? What is the goal in engineering a virus of this kind? It's impossible to think that the goal could be sprawling depopulation. It's just not deadly enough, and we know enough about other viruses that, if the goal had been radical depopulation, then Covid-19 makes no sense for that purpose. To me, that suggests the purpose must be something else, whether that is psychological, economic, political, or some combination thereof.

Now consider this: if the goal of this engineered virus was not strictly material, that is, not a strict consideration of the direct bodily impacts of the virus itself, but where those effects were only meant to elicit a certain societal response that achieved the political/economic goals, then could we imagine that it would be more effective not to engineer a virus at all?

If all we really needed was the perception that this virus was such and such a thing, would it be easier to engineer a virus to accomplish just what you needed it to, within narrow confines for morbidity? Or, would it be easier to engineer the perception of a virus to achieve those effects, and eliminate all of the logistics of having to actually manage the spread of an 'organism'. Think of farmers and burning fields. Let's say you didn't want to burn your field, but you needed your neighbor to think you were burning your field. Is it simpler to actually burn your field and try to control it within narrow parameters, or would it be easier to create smoke and send people to tell your neighbor the fields were burning?

The Jew is a magical thing. They are obsessed with spectacle and misdirection. They created a Holocaust, not out of thin air, but by manipulating the existing facts in the media.

I'm convinced that the same thing is going on here. They are utilizing the existing facts to accomplish the fear of something, without actually having to engineer that thing. It's also similar to the Chicken Little effect: you scare people about the sky they've been living under for their entire lives. You just need a new spin on something existing in order to turn it into an object of fear.

I don't believe this 'pandemic' has been truly any more deadly than a perhaps worse-than-average flu season. I think through a combination of fudged numbers, data reporting, and fraudulent diagnoses/billing, we've received via the media a totally false figure on overall Covid-related deaths. That's necessary, however, to make us think the sky is falling. That's the smoke. But there is no field burning.

The influenza statistics are a smoking gun. For the first three weeks of January we had something like 50-100 flu cases registered for a period that, on average, sees orders of magnitude more cases of flu. They've created an elaborate narrative to mystify us about the flu. The flu is dangerous to the elderly every year.

But I also feel it's not as simple as flu = Covid-19. Rather, they have created a new category by synthesizing all of our regular respiratory ailments into a single category: common cold, flu, and pneumonia. There is a reason they selected a respiratory virus for these purposes, precisely because the symptomology for all of these has so much crossover. It allowed hospitals, despite unreliable or non-existent testing processes, to diagnose anything resembling these respiratory ailments as Covid-19.

So it isn't just influenza, it's that all of the ailments common to human lungs became something new: the sky falling. I think that if you combined the regular seasonal deaths among the elderly due to influenza and pneumonia or bronchitis/other respiratory tract ailments, you'd see that these are deadly to that group not just this year, but every year, and that their deadliness has been 'summed' by attributing all of them to a new, made up virus.

That's my take. Obviously none of us knows the cold, hard truth.

So you're positioning your theory against the theory that says Covid-19 is a common cold. I'd just revise that to suggest that the 'other' theory says Covid-19 is more like an influenza virus than a cold virus. So by contrast, yours says that Covid-19 is engineered. What I want to ask is: for what purpose? What is the goal in engineering a virus of this kind? It's impossible to think that the goal could be sprawling depopulation. It's just not deadly enough, and we know enough about other viruses that, if the goal had been radical depopulation, then Covid-19 makes no sense for that purpose. To me, that suggests the purpose must be something else, whether that is psychological, economic, political, or some combination thereof. Now consider this: if the goal of this engineered virus was not strictly material, that is, not a strict consideration of the direct bodily impacts of the virus itself, but where those effects were only meant to elicit a certain societal response that achieved the political/economic goals, then could we imagine that it would be more effective not to engineer a virus at all? If all we really needed was the perception that this virus was such and such a thing, would it be easier to engineer a virus to accomplish just what you needed it to, within narrow confines for morbidity? Or, would it be easier to engineer the *perception of a virus* to achieve those effects, and eliminate all of the logistics of having to actually manage the spread of an 'organism'. Think of farmers and burning fields. Let's say you didn't want to burn your field, but you needed your neighbor to think you were burning your field. Is it simpler to actually burn your field and try to control it within narrow parameters, or would it be easier to create smoke and send people to tell your neighbor the fields were burning? The Jew is a magical thing. They are obsessed with spectacle and misdirection. They created a Holocaust, not out of thin air, but by manipulating the *existing facts* in the media. I'm convinced that the same thing is going on here. They are utilizing the existing facts to accomplish the fear of something, without actually having to engineer that thing. It's also similar to the Chicken Little effect: you scare people about the sky they've been living under for their entire lives. You just need a new spin on something existing in order to turn it into an object of fear. I don't believe this 'pandemic' has been truly any more deadly than a perhaps worse-than-average flu season. I think through a combination of fudged numbers, data reporting, and fraudulent diagnoses/billing, we've received via the media a totally false figure on overall Covid-related deaths. That's necessary, however, to make us think the sky is falling. That's the smoke. But there is no field burning. The influenza statistics are a smoking gun. For the first three weeks of January we had something like 50-100 flu cases registered for a period that, on average, sees orders of magnitude more cases of flu. They've created an elaborate narrative to mystify us about the flu. The flu is dangerous to the elderly every year. But I also feel it's not as simple as flu = Covid-19. Rather, they have created a new category by synthesizing all of our regular respiratory ailments into a single category: common cold, flu, and pneumonia. There is a reason they selected a respiratory virus for these purposes, precisely because the symptomology for all of these has so much crossover. It allowed hospitals, despite unreliable or non-existent testing processes, to diagnose anything resembling these respiratory ailments as Covid-19. So it isn't just influenza, it's that all of the ailments common to human lungs became something new: the sky falling. I think that if you combined the regular seasonal deaths among the elderly due to influenza and pneumonia or bronchitis/other respiratory tract ailments, you'd see that these are deadly to that group not just this year, but every year, and that their deadliness has been 'summed' by attributing all of them to a new, made up virus. That's my take. Obviously none of us knows the cold, hard truth.

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the 'other' theory says Covid-19 is more like an influenza virus than a cold virus. So by contrast, yours says that Covid-19 is engineered.

No. Influenza, cold, po-TAE-toe, po-TAH-toe. I gues the distinction is severity. OC-43 coronavirus is a mild infection, bird flu might be significantly worse , covid is worse than that, at least for older people.

I believe that this virus was engineered to be a bad dangerous bug. But that is a separate issue from severity. I believe is is way more serious than the average annual flu. By maybe 50X. But of course occassionally you might have a very bad strain of that virus, like with the Spanish flu.

Severity and natural/ manufactured origin are separate issues.

I do not assume that they intended to launch this particular virus at this particular time on Americans or Europeans or whomever. I suspect this was an unintentional release. But i think it is the product of a military bioweapons program. They (CCP, Pentagon, various megalomaniacs) know it is in their interest to pursue this sort of technology as megalomaniacs. So they are playing around with these bugs and one got out of the sandbox.

The alternative hypothesis is that they are really breeding these viral chimeras to understand viruses better so they can cure them. But the CDC poured 10 million dollars into the Wuhan virology lab to research coronaviruses. So what insights did that research give us in the course of the last year in battling deadly a coronavirus? Wouldn’t this be the event that would justify that research? They havent given us any insights. Because they arent trying to cure viral illnesses. They are trying to make new more dangerous ones.

Covid itself was not the teleological purpose of the bioweapons program, its just an intermediate stepping stone toward their objective. So Im not sure its helpful to try to figure out what they were trying to accomplish with it. I think at some point they (jews) decided they could use it to make Trump look bad and steal an election with mail in ballots. It fell in their lap. So they made maximum hay from it.

The death statistics are the most convincing argument for my assertion— that this was the worst viral outbreak to hit the US since maybe polio or spanish flu. Even if they could get a lot of doctors to fudge on cause of death, there is still a 20% increase in the number of dead people in this country over the last 12 months. That is huge. You cannot tell me that they got doctors to sign off on an additional 400,000 deaths that did not really occur. Or that somehow they brought about an excess 400,000 deaths by some other means. And that they were able to coodinate this conspiracy within dozens of countries? Jews are not that good. There was a massive uptick in deaths and its roughly comensurate with the number of claimed covid deaths. Covid is a pretty attractive theory to explain those deaths.

Im not saying bureaucrats never lie. But Im saying its a pretty big lie to manufacture 400,000 deaths that didnt happen and get that many bureaucrats to go along with it. Bureaucrats are perfectly willing to distort data but loathe to commit outright fraud because they are afraid of getting caught. They manipulate facts as you say.

Yes there is this amorphous blobby category of flu-cold-viral-pneumonia-whatever which needs to be teased out if you want to prevent premature deaths, or unravel their lies. I discovered that their estimated flu burden statistic is totally pulled out of their ass and has been for years. But there were just too many deaths near me for this to be: typical flu + jewish lies. So many people I knew died in a single month! My neighbor just told me his son in law died. In his 40s. Maybe it didn’t seem that bad in some areas. But a huge number of people near me died in April.

I dont find it that weird that flu “took a year off.” While it usually kills about 10,000 people a year in he US, it seems to only hit in one or two regions in a year. So a state might not see significant flu for a decade or more. You can see this on the CDC influenza risk application. So because of the stochastic nature of influenza outbreaks gaining a foothold in any particular region, I dont really think its a huge stretch to say quarantining, social distancing were responsible for the absence of flu cases, not CDC fraud. But even if the CDC did recategorize flu deaths as covid deaths, it cannot explain the unprecedented 20% rise in deaths all causes.

Im not denying that there was not total hysteria instigated that had no useful purpose. They banned old ladies in Missouri from going to church. Covid never really hit those places. It was just punishment. It was just pointless tyrannical harassment directed at fly-over country—areas where masks and quarantines were not necessary. The only places where I think some limited lockdowns were useful were urban areas during the flu season. Applying the same policies to rural areas was just vindictive

It might be useful at this point to note that, the whole draconian, hysterical shitshow was made much worse by women in power. The bureaucracy has become female, and it reacted in a predictable hysterical irrational manner during this crisis. The female run satrapies of our governments and institutions are really particularly responsible for the capriciousness of covid policies. Why do I point this out? It is really part of the problem, that I cant unsee. Women were the enforcers and the water carriers for this clampdown on our freedoms. I find it personally embarassing and I think maybe we are not cut out to function in some of these decision making positions. You know, on average. Im obviously the exception. ;)

So to recap, I am not disagreeing that there was harmful useless arbitrary fiats implemented, some of which were intentionally meant to exploit and attack the people, some of which were just the natural consequence of too many bossy stupid karens in power. But at least 400,000 Americans (not to mention other people) were murdered, suffocated, years before they would otherwise have died. It is a very serious illness. There is a fucking cure. There are antivirals that will work if they are given early enough. That was all buried and kept from us. Because they want old white people to die faster so they dont have to pay for them.

>the 'other' theory says Covid-19 is more like an influenza virus than a cold virus. So by contrast, yours says that Covid-19 is engineered. No. Influenza, cold, po-TAE-toe, po-TAH-toe. I gues the distinction is severity. OC-43 coronavirus is a mild infection, bird flu might be significantly worse , covid is worse than that, at least for older people. I believe that this virus was engineered to be a bad dangerous bug. But that is a separate issue from severity. I believe is is way more serious than the average annual flu. By maybe 50X. But of course occassionally you might have a very bad strain of that virus, like with the Spanish flu. Severity and natural/ manufactured origin are separate issues. I do not assume that they intended to launch this particular virus at this particular time on Americans or Europeans or whomever. I suspect this was an unintentional release. But i think it is the product of a military bioweapons program. They (CCP, Pentagon, various megalomaniacs) know it is in their interest to pursue this sort of technology as megalomaniacs. So they are playing around with these bugs and one got out of the sandbox. The alternative hypothesis is that they are really breeding these viral chimeras to understand viruses better so they can cure them. But the CDC poured 10 million dollars into the Wuhan virology lab to research coronaviruses. So what insights did that research give us in the course of the last year in battling deadly a coronavirus? Wouldn’t this be the event that would justify that research? They havent given us any insights. Because they arent trying to cure viral illnesses. They are trying to make new more dangerous ones. Covid itself was not the teleological purpose of the bioweapons program, its just an intermediate stepping stone toward their objective. So Im not sure its helpful to try to figure out what they were trying to accomplish with it. I think at some point they (jews) decided they could use it to make Trump look bad and steal an election with mail in ballots. It fell in their lap. So they made maximum hay from it. The death statistics are the most convincing argument for my assertion— that this was the worst viral outbreak to hit the US since maybe polio or spanish flu. Even if they could get a lot of doctors to fudge on cause of death, there is still a 20% increase in the number of dead people in this country over the last 12 months. That is huge. You cannot tell me that they got doctors to sign off on an additional 400,000 deaths that did not really occur. Or that somehow they brought about an excess 400,000 deaths by some other means. And that they were able to coodinate this conspiracy within dozens of countries? Jews are not that good. There was a massive uptick in deaths and its roughly comensurate with the number of claimed covid deaths. Covid is a pretty attractive theory to explain those deaths. Im not saying bureaucrats never lie. But Im saying its a pretty big lie to manufacture 400,000 deaths that didnt happen and get that many bureaucrats to go along with it. Bureaucrats are perfectly willing to distort data but loathe to commit outright fraud because they are afraid of getting caught. They manipulate facts as you say. Yes there is this amorphous blobby category of flu-cold-viral-pneumonia-whatever which needs to be teased out if you want to prevent premature deaths, or unravel their lies. I discovered that their estimated flu burden statistic is totally pulled out of their ass and has been for years. But there were just too many deaths near me for this to be: typical flu + jewish lies. So many people I knew died in a single month! My neighbor just told me his son in law died. In his 40s. Maybe it didn’t seem that bad in some areas. But a huge number of people near me died in April. I dont find it that weird that flu “took a year off.” While it usually kills about 10,000 people a year in he US, it seems to only hit in one or two regions in a year. So a state might not see significant flu for a decade or more. You can see this on the CDC influenza risk application. So because of the stochastic nature of influenza outbreaks gaining a foothold in any particular region, I dont really think its a huge stretch to say quarantining, social distancing were responsible for the absence of flu cases, not CDC fraud. But even if the CDC did recategorize flu deaths as covid deaths, it cannot explain the unprecedented 20% rise in deaths all causes. Im not denying that there was not total hysteria instigated that had no useful purpose. They banned old ladies in Missouri from going to church. Covid never really hit those places. It was just punishment. It was just pointless tyrannical harassment directed at fly-over country—areas where masks and quarantines were not necessary. The only places where I think some limited lockdowns were useful were urban areas during the flu season. Applying the same policies to rural areas was just vindictive It might be useful at this point to note that, the whole draconian, hysterical shitshow was made much worse by women in power. The bureaucracy has become female, and it reacted in a predictable hysterical irrational manner during this crisis. The female run satrapies of our governments and institutions are really particularly responsible for the capriciousness of covid policies. Why do I point this out? It is really part of the problem, that I cant unsee. Women were the enforcers and the water carriers for this clampdown on our freedoms. I find it personally embarassing and I think maybe we are not cut out to function in some of these decision making positions. You know, on average. Im obviously the exception. ;) So to recap, I am not disagreeing that there was harmful useless arbitrary fiats implemented, some of which were intentionally meant to exploit and attack the people, some of which were just the natural consequence of too many bossy stupid karens in power. But at least 400,000 Americans (not to mention other people) were murdered, suffocated, years before they would otherwise have died. It is a very serious illness. There is a fucking cure. There are antivirals that will work if they are given early enough. That was all buried and kept from us. Because they want old white people to die faster so they dont have to pay for them.

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I think your take is interesting. For one thing, it meshes well with our notions about the psychology of megalomaniacs. The idea that the highest powers of the world are constantly in a race to possess the most insidious weapons doesn't insult our common sense at all. Secondly, the idea that these efforts are always accompanied by mishaps - the Frankenstein's monster archetype - or unforeseen effects is, likewise, probably a long-lived cultural artifact for a reason. I'm thinking of Stephen King's The Stand at this moment.

Let me put it this way, you and I disagree about the magnitude of the real mortality of this virus, and this causes you and I to categorize it differently, because of all of the logic that falls into place after that first judgement call.

If I did not believe what I stated earlier, I'd probably agree with you fully.

I'm particularly attracted to the aspect where the powers that be are trying to 'make lemonade from lemons'. What's the phrase? Don't ever let a good crisis go to waste, right? There is even something in my intuitive understanding of the Jew that reconciles all of this with their tendency to capitalize on chaos. Perhaps it was a tremendous fuckup, and the guilty parties tried to optimize a bad situation, while weaknesses in our whole social structure just amplified the irrationality all the way down the ladder. Like I said, if I didn't think what I currently do, I'd think what you think. In other words, your analysis holds a close 2nd place in the running for 'what I think'.

I do believe you are underscoring the average morality due to flu, by tens of thousands on average. The CDC gives the wide range of 12,000 - 61,000 annually, probably reflecting that the flu has become less deadly as the years have gone by, and according to whatever the predominant strain was at the time. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I also think the 400,000 deaths figure for Covid is dramatically inflated. Motive? I described that in my last comment, and I stand by the argument that this is at least as believable a dystopian possibility as a century of humanity believing in the Holocaust. If we've been able to fake 6,000,000 deaths for a century pre-internet and pre-corporate-control of the entire media establishment, then parading around the 400k figure on enough televisions is more than enough to fixate society on that number.

Lastly, I'll note that a lot of these local hysterias and inefficiencies you've pointed out (like the Church banning in Missouri) are all still expected under my theory. If the belief in this thing is real, people will act as if it is real, especially given the 'Karen effect' you've pointed out, which arises at least in part from the tendency of women to use virtuous behaviors and utterances as a kind of social currency.

I think your take is interesting. For one thing, it meshes well with our notions about the psychology of megalomaniacs. The idea that the highest powers of the world are constantly in a race to possess the most insidious weapons doesn't insult our common sense at all. Secondly, the idea that these efforts are always accompanied by mishaps - the Frankenstein's monster archetype - or unforeseen effects is, likewise, probably a long-lived cultural artifact for a reason. I'm thinking of Stephen King's *The Stand* at this moment. Let me put it this way, you and I disagree about the magnitude of the real mortality of this virus, and this causes you and I to categorize it differently, because of all of the logic that falls into place after that first judgement call. If I did not believe what I stated earlier, I'd probably agree with you fully. I'm particularly attracted to the aspect where the powers that be are trying to 'make lemonade from lemons'. What's the phrase? Don't ever let a good crisis go to waste, right? There is even something in my intuitive understanding of the Jew that reconciles all of this with their tendency to capitalize on chaos. Perhaps it was a tremendous fuckup, and the guilty parties tried to optimize a bad situation, while weaknesses in our whole social structure just amplified the irrationality all the way down the ladder. Like I said, if I didn't think what I currently do, I'd think what you think. In other words, your analysis holds a close 2nd place in the running for 'what I think'. I do believe you are underscoring the average morality due to flu, by tens of thousands on average. The CDC gives the wide range of 12,000 - 61,000 annually, probably reflecting that the flu has become less deadly as the years have gone by, and according to whatever the predominant strain was at the time. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I also think the 400,000 deaths figure for Covid is dramatically inflated. Motive? I described that in my last comment, and I stand by the argument that this is at least as believable a dystopian possibility as a century of humanity believing in the Holocaust. If we've been able to fake 6,000,000 deaths for a century pre-internet and pre-corporate-control of the entire media establishment, then parading around the 400k figure on enough televisions is more than enough to fixate society on that number. Lastly, I'll note that a lot of these local hysterias and inefficiencies you've pointed out (like the Church banning in Missouri) are all still expected under my theory. If the belief in this thing is real, people will act as if it is real, especially given the 'Karen effect' you've pointed out, which arises at least in part from the tendency of women to use virtuous behaviors and utterances as a kind of social currency.

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I do believe you are underscoring the average morality due to flu, by tens of thousands on average. The CDC gives the wide range of 12,000 - 61,000

You should know that is not the annual recorded deaths due to influenza alone or deaths due to influenza + pneumonia, both of which we have the actual data on. The underlying assumptions for “flu burden estimate” are described here and are incredibly flimsy and inflated imo. Another instance of trying to generate hysteria for their own purposes.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/how-cdc-estimates.htm

especially given the 'Karen effect' you've pointed out, which arises at least in part from the tendency of women to use virtuous behaviors and utterances as a kind of social currency.

You noticed. Ladies love crusades. It does seem to be a currency among ourselves. I think its estrogen. Over time I feel less of a need to give a fuck about what other women think of me, whether they think Im a nice person. When I was younger I really cared alot about that shit. Women really try to regulate the shit out of each other. There is something about being female and having some sort of pathological need to make the world fair for everybody. I suppose its useful in some contexts. But not as governor of Michigin. I guess we’re just nosey busy bodies.

I used to think you were named chiro because you said you worked in a chiropractor’s once. But now I think it must be chi rho. Am I right? You dont have to tell me, Im just being a nosey busy body.

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