> Impressive. I've done both and I can't say I like either! Or any tie for that matter. I'm glad in a lot of cases now it is acceptable to wear a sports coat without a tie. I learned to tie a bow tie many years ago, when I was best man in my brother's wedding. I was the only one who was able to untie his tie and let it casually hang loose around my neck. Yes, I did that just to show off. ;-) It's come in handy over the years. Tying a neck tie was one of the things my dad taught all of us. "A man needs to know how to tie a tie." Then again, when I started working in offices, suit and tie was still the dress code.