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[–] • 8 pts

Sorry you are going through more loss Theo.

This is what Jesus says about situations like this. We have entered a time when the children will raise their own parents.

"Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's foes will be members of one's own household" (Matthew 10:34-36).

[–] • 6 pts

This is a hardcore line in the bible that nobody ever quotes. Jesus whipped the Jews from the temple and called for this. When you understand the context of this with the Roman apocalypse, the Pharisee degeneracy and the weakness of the Hebrews it makes sense. Jesus never told his people to be at peace with the Pharisees who perverted their religion and was trying to literally save their lives from their destruction.

[–] • 2 pts

Whoa whoa hold on.. you’re leaving out the context in which he said this.

Jesus is talking about choosing him no matter who is opposed to you, including family who may disagree.

There often is a separation between someone who chooses to follow him closely and those in their lives - including family. This happened with me and my (now) ex-wife even.

There were other problems, but one major one was that we were going down two different roads spiritually, and those roads only became more and more distanced from one another.

God (and thus Jesus) is pro-family. He invented the concept of family in the first place, don’t forget.

“Thou shall honor thy father and mother” is a commandment that came from him.

Now, if a relationship is toxic, it’s sometimes best to exit that relationship..whether it’s a parent, sibling, or spouse is irrelevant..though that can certainly make it more difficult. That may be what Theo is dealing with here. I don’t know because he’s short on details, but that’s his right as I’m sure we can all agree.

All that to say, though, that separation of families is not God’s will because it is antithetical to his original design…but even so, sometimes it becomes necessary for a variety of reasons, sad as that may be.

[–] • 0 pt

If I am not mistaken this came from a difference in morals and what Theo did or did not want to put into his body.

I think of the quote from Mark when jesus told them "give to Ceasar the things that are Ceasars, and give to God the things that are Gods."

Theo chose not to give his body to the government, but to remain pure. Whether or not this was for religious reasons, because of this difference in fundamentals that caused the rift between he and his father, I find this is very "in context"

[–] • 1 pt

We actually agree. I was simply saying that Jesus didn’t say that as a blanket statement for any and all occasions, rather it is applicable to a very narrow and specific set of circumstances.

[–] • 0 pt

Fuck, since when did Jesus say that?

[–] • 7 pts

It was a really long time ago

[–] • 1 pt

About 1990 to 2000 years ago.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

Around the same time he said "not 7 times, but 77 times" when asked by Peter if forgiving someone 7 times was enough. (Matthew 18:21-22). It's a very high bar, but maybe it was intended to emphasize how many times any of us can be screw-ups.

[–] • 0 pt

To forgive is not to forget though. It should come with new, set boundaries.

[–] • 2 pts

"Cutting off" your parents is reddit-tier garbage. How do I know you're a faggot.

[–] • 2 pts

I guess I'll go back to reddit.

[–] • 2 pts

stfu orphan

[–] • 2 pts

I guess I'll go back to the orphanage.

[–] • 0 pt

I dont know Theo's circumstances, but there do need to be boundaries established somewhere. I cut my parents off over a decade ago due to unrepentant, evil behavior they refused to cease engaging in.

Since yeeting my parents, the number of times I've been the victim of aggravated assault, simple assault, battery, armed robbery, etc have dropped to zero. I lost count of some of those before I yeeted them. Heck, I havent even had someone scream insults at me like a IRL version of Jerry Springer since I gave them the boot, as opposed to daily before then.

I get that some people are overdramatic for attention because mommy told them to clean their room or somesuch, but I wouldnt assume cutting people off is always attention seeking. Given how screwed up Theo's life is, I suspect he did it for a good reason.

[–] • 1 pt

Good point, I might have been hasty and drunk when I said that.

[–] • 2 pts

Sad day. I supersize with you... You made the choice you needed to make.

Haven't spoken to either parent in over 30 years now.

[–] • 13 pts

Yeah.

He invited me to this past Thanksgiving and Christmas, along with his birthday, which is right after New Year's.

I would've gone to any of them. I just wanted him to explain why I wasn't invited the previous year.

I know why.

I know it was because I wasn't vaccinated.

I just needed him to tell me that.

I needed him to explain why my brother was invited, but he ignored my calls and texts.

I didn't need him to admit he was wrong. I just needed him to admit that he was willing to let his own dine alone during the Holidays because of my choice, and his reaction to it.

But he just lies, and pretends like it didn't happen.

Told me he didn't have a Thanksgiving in 2021. That it was canceled.

That's even worse. Because now he's basically calling my brother a liar.

There is no human that has ever hurt me worse than my Father.

[–] • 2 pts

Its always those we held in the highest regard or those who we felt closest to that are able to hurt us the most.

Did you blatantly call him out on it? If not. Why not?

Do yourself the favor. Don't let it cloud all of your other relationships. Life becomes a real bitch when you cant get close to people.

[–] • 1 pt

I'm sorry your dad is one of those "conditional love" parents.

You probably made a very good decision.

If you need to rant, don't hesitate to message. Most people don't have the ability to understand, seeing as though I cut my mother off more than a decade ago its healing for me to help others who are actively suffering through this.

Best wishes!

[–] • 1 pt

Thanks bro, I appreciate that

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

With Politics I don't hold anything personal with Family. I'm not there to provoke them or try to change their mind. But I'll give my facts and stay firm on my 'beliefs' unless facts given can change them. That's it.

There are millions of people on the planet I can engage and have conflict over politics with. Family doesn't have to be any one of them. Family is just a few people.

When it comes to covid I see it as a religion. There are believers, half believers, and not the fuck all believers. I'm a not the fuck all believer.

I'm not not going to disrespect people who are hardcore believers (so long as their collective convenient is being non invasive). I've got Family who are hardcore believers. If they didn't want me to visit etc, I would not hold it against them. I just wouldn't visit until they came to their senses or lightened their "belief". It's inevitable that it's going to happen, covid as an "pandemic" can never hold. It's just impossible any population in the past present and future history of humanity would accept it as a forever thing.

[–] • 1 pt

Remember that bearing false witness is a Sin. Either your brother did, or your father did. It's not just reasonable to ostracize someone who unrepentantly bears false witness, you're instructed to do so if they refuse to repent after being confronted about it with witnesses. You confronted him repeatedly and he refused to repent, ergo you're doing as you ought to by dropkicking him from your life.

[–] • 1 pt

Remember that bearing false witness is a Sin.

This is not a fun feeling to have, but you're right. All of my family gave me shit for being unvaccinated, but they didn't cut me off. He cut me off, now wants to pretend he didn't, and is lying about it and contradicting my brother's word.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

Take this for what it’s worth, which you may feel is nothing.

But people like your dad are living in and controlled by fear.

What becomes hard to discern is how we are supposed to treat them over it, how do we take it, etc. Who’s fault is it? There’s a couple of ways you can look at this. You can be disappointed and angry at him for his choices here because those choices hurt you. Disappointed because he buys into the bullshit. I’ve certainly felt this towards many in my family. And then anger, too, as some of them have been condescending and shifty in their weakest moments over this shit.

On the other hand, they are victims of abuse on an industrial scale. I mean, we all are, though some of us are resistant when others aren’t. Mental abuse, emotional abuse, and then finally the physical abuse of the vaccine mandates and/or the fact that they are driven by the fear of the emotional/mental abuse into getting the shot. Anyway you want to slice it, those in power have abused all of us in some way, and it has affected some of us more severely than others.

And then both sides of that coin can be true at the same time.

Some shit has been said to me and I have been treated poorly by some in my family over the same issues and my stance on those issues.

I have chosen to view them mostly as victims of a fear campaign. Does it make them weak? Yeah, I think so. But then since when do I abandon a victim of abuse because they’re weak?

I’m not telling you what to do or even trying to imply that you’re an asshole for deciding to part ways. I made my decisions on how to deal with and treat my family after a lot of careful thought..and you know what? It’s a choice I keep having to make every day because it does piss me off when this shit comes up.. though it comes up a lot less now and I think some of them are slowly coming around to the understanding that they were lied to and manipulated.

All I’m saying is, perhaps try to look at it from the perspective of your dad. I’m not saying he is right or was right, I’m saying he’s a scared, lost, old man. And people do shitty things out of fear.

Those of us who actually “get it” and know what’s going behind the scenes have a fucking burden that others don’t carry. It sucks, but it is what it is. Part of that burden is exemplified in what you’ve described with your situation with your dad. And consider that the splitting of families and destruction of relationships is exactly what the cabal wants.

I’m not telling you what to do, I’m just saying really evaluate and consider it, and try to do it with as little emotion as possible if you can. Then make a decision.

[–] • 1 pt

All I’m saying is, perhaps try to look at it from the perspective of your dad. I’m not saying he is right or was right, I’m saying he’s a scared, lost, old man. And people do shitty things out of fear.

You're being too generous. If Theo's father said "I didnt invite you to Thanksgiving because you wouldnt take the jab", that would be one thing. A cowardly NPC move, but not evil. That Theo's father repeatedly lied about it is another matter. That's a Sin. Theo confronted his father about it repeatedly and his father not only refused to repent, but continued to lie about it. You cant keep unrepentant Sinners in your life.

[–] • 2 pts

My only thing about cutting off parents etc. Is kids tend to osmosis more than can be expected or perceive. If you're treating your parents like shit or dumping them, there should be a high expectation that your kids are going to do the same.

[–] • 1 pt

Two different contexts. Having toxic parents/ siblings can be justification for divorcing them from your life, but does that not put the burden on you to raise your child in such a way as to break those chains? I used many lessons from my childhood to direct me as a parent.

[–] • 2 pts

That's no good. Hopefully you can revisit this and find ways to make amends.

Asshole behavior by your dad for sure.

[–] • 1 pt

Sorry you're going through it. I'm going thru something similar.

[–] • 0 pt

Why's your dad a piece of shit?

[–] • 3 pts

Mom. She's a true Karen at heart with a touch of pure evil. Love her but had to walk away. For my own mental health. Been a lifetime coming.

[–] • 1 pt

That's a rough one. Glad I still have a good mom.

I wonder how it is so different. I know one of the reasons I hate having a shitty father is because I can see how awfully similar we are as I get older.

[–] • 1 pt

I know how you feel. I cut off my family entirely almost 5 years ago now.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

Just remember what goes around comes around.

[–] • 1 pt

People were fucked up crazy (crazier) when the Big-C Boogie Man was on the rampage. My brother and sister are still at war over her crazy mask demands at her house. Was your dad OK before the C-19 panic? Sounds like he was scared shitless and believed the narrative. Admitting being fooled is hard for most. How old is your dad? Is your brother taking sides? WTF, Dear Abby lives!! Just trying to piece it together in my head.

[–] • 0 pt

Daddy told me that television rots the brain.

That's one of the reasons it hurts so much.

[–] • 1 pt

He was right. Knowing that is critical to understanding.

[–] • 0 pt

Daddy didn't invite me to Thanksgiving because I didn't take my shots.

[–] • 1 pt

Haven’t talked to my aunt in 20 years after my grandmother’s funeral where I was not invited back to the house. Aunt and uncle swooped in and were afraid I’d stake some claim to the estate. Greedy, grubby, provincial people at heart. I’m not missing out by not having them in my life. Gotta say though, it hurt like hell for quite a while but now I’m numb to it. Family has the power to really get in there and grind the heart screws.

[–] • 2 pts

Family can make you hurt like nothing else.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

I haven’t talked to my dad in years…he doesn’t know how many kids I’ve got, and couldn’t care less. In the years leading up to the break, he’d call to “ask about them,” which lasted 30 seconds before he slid the conversation to himself.

Typical narcissistic asshole. My family is better off not knowing they’ve got a grandpa.

Despite all that, it was hard at first…nknowing it was my doing, and despite having the awareness of and ability to control his level of participation in my life, I ultimately decided it would be best to not have him there at all. It’s gotten easier as time goes on.

[–] • 1 pt

Thanks man, Glad you are doing well.

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