What is going on with gasoline is not an argument to get an electric vehicle. They could do this with electricity at any time.

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First off, this is entirely a government created problem. If the government hadn't intervened yesterday would have been the last day of this craziness.

The pipeline is now up and running, but they are still using it as an excuse. Let me explain how insane this is. They say the pipeline takes 18 days to have gas travel from its start to many of its destinations. Here's why that doesn't make sense as an excuse. Either the pipeline is still able to work without flow. In which case we should be ~18 days away from a problem because we have at least 18 days of gas in there that we've always been able to get out. Or, you can't take gas out of it unless there is flow.. in which case, the second the flow resumes you should have instant gas.

This is actually the result of price fixing in response that has deepened the shortage and caused runs and hording, and gas stations to lie about not having gas. I did see one station just outside of my work do that. They coned it up, and a few cars managed to remove the cones and get some gas.

Shortages and price differences between a natural price and a set price are the same thing. When prices move you don't have shortages, you have shrinking volume. When you do fix prices below its natural amount you have shortages no matter what the supply is doing. This shortage has nothing to do with supply, and everything to do with the predictable outcomes of price setting. Natural runs only last 1-3 days. If this lasts longer you know 100% the government is at fault.

The issue is they could do this with electricity at any time. You can shut down an energy source just by fixing a price. That happened in Texas. The detail they don't want to tell anyone is that the wholesale price of electricity in Texas has a regulated cap. It hit that cap, and within 9 minutes the electrical grid was shutting down. People actually paid more because of it. Prices work sort of like a hand balancing a broom. It's an active system. If the broom starts to lean left, you have to move your hand to the left faster than it. If you delay, you will have to push it further to the left. Once your hand reaches a cap, that's it, it's going down and your hand will stay at that capped location indefinitely. By putting that system in that locked scenario you make it so people pay that high price longer. It's not the price that's the problem. It's the area under the curve of price that gets people shelling out dollars. When a the lack of a price signal fails to respond to a shortage, wasteful use occurs, supply that would have happened doesn't, and the shortage gets wider in material terms. Then because of scarcity (which is going to remain in these conditions), your natural price stays above the allowed price, and it never returns. You end up paying the regulated cap permanently, which may still be rather high, all because prices weren't allowed to temporally spike for a moment. You likely never would have to pay the spike price (the whole point of it is that fewer do), and even if you did it would be cheaper to pay once than the regulated cap indefinitely.

There is nothing special about gas here. We see unavailability of electricity anywhere these mistakes are applied to electricity, whether it's South Africa, California, Venezuela, or Texas. Good luck charging your electric vehicle that only has one commute's range when the night before you didn't have electricity to charge it with. I guess you aren't going to work.

The very scary thing is they could do this with food in an instant. They definitely have an inclination to. If the gas situation impacts the supply chain even a little, or they pretend it is, they could out of fear tell grocers they have to lock in their prices, and bam, no food on the shelves. People will start running on it as soon as the media mentions supply chain even before the price fix is done, and then the price fix can happen and it won't fix itself. Then they will blame the initial running because clearly something was starting to happen before they did anything.

Get ready. Your town may be as empty of food as it is of gas.

Additional factors that make this a government problem: Regulation on shipping making it difficult for other source of gas to deliver via shore. And non-reciprocation of gas truck operator permits making it so interstate trucking of gas is mostly not a thing. Ethanol making gas less shelf stable, meaning we couldn't store gas ahead of time.

First off, this is entirely a government created problem. If the government hadn't intervened yesterday would have been the last day of this craziness. The pipeline is now up and running, but they are still using it as an excuse. Let me explain how insane this is. They say the pipeline takes 18 days to have gas travel from its start to many of its destinations. Here's why that doesn't make sense as an excuse. Either the pipeline is still able to work without flow. In which case we should be ~18 days away from a problem because we have at least 18 days of gas in there that we've always been able to get out. Or, you can't take gas out of it unless there is flow.. in which case, the second the flow resumes you should have instant gas. This is actually the result of price fixing in response that has deepened the shortage and caused runs and hording, and gas stations to lie about not having gas. I did see one station just outside of my work do that. They coned it up, and a few cars managed to remove the cones and get some gas. Shortages and price differences between a natural price and a set price are the same thing. When prices move you don't have shortages, you have shrinking volume. When you do fix prices below its natural amount you have shortages no matter what the supply is doing. This shortage has nothing to do with supply, and everything to do with the predictable outcomes of price setting. Natural runs only last 1-3 days. If this lasts longer you know 100% the government is at fault. The issue is they could do this with electricity at any time. You can shut down an energy source just by fixing a price. That happened in Texas. The detail they don't want to tell anyone is that the wholesale price of electricity in Texas has a regulated cap. It hit that cap, and within 9 minutes the electrical grid was shutting down. People actually paid more because of it. Prices work sort of like a hand balancing a broom. It's an active system. If the broom starts to lean left, you have to move your hand to the left faster than it. If you delay, you will have to push it further to the left. Once your hand reaches a cap, that's it, it's going down and your hand will stay at that capped location indefinitely. By putting that system in that locked scenario you make it so people pay that high price longer. It's not the price that's the problem. It's the area under the curve of price that gets people shelling out dollars. When a the lack of a price signal fails to respond to a shortage, wasteful use occurs, supply that would have happened doesn't, and the shortage gets wider in material terms. Then because of scarcity (which is going to remain in these conditions), your natural price stays above the allowed price, and it never returns. You end up paying the regulated cap permanently, which may still be rather high, all because prices weren't allowed to temporally spike for a moment. You likely never would have to pay the spike price (the whole point of it is that fewer do), and even if you did it would be cheaper to pay once than the regulated cap indefinitely. There is nothing special about gas here. We see unavailability of electricity anywhere these mistakes are applied to electricity, whether it's South Africa, California, Venezuela, or Texas. Good luck charging your electric vehicle that only has one commute's range when the night before you didn't have electricity to charge it with. I guess you aren't going to work. The very scary thing is they could do this with food in an instant. They definitely have an inclination to. If the gas situation impacts the supply chain even a little, or they pretend it is, they could out of fear tell grocers they have to lock in their prices, and bam, no food on the shelves. People will start running on it as soon as the media mentions supply chain even before the price fix is done, and then the price fix can happen and it won't fix itself. Then they will blame the initial running because clearly something was starting to happen before they did anything. Get ready. Your town may be as empty of food as it is of gas. -------------------------------- Additional factors that make this a government problem: Regulation on shipping making it difficult for other source of gas to deliver via shore. And non-reciprocation of gas truck operator permits making it so interstate trucking of gas is mostly not a thing. Ethanol making gas less shelf stable, meaning we couldn't store gas ahead of time.

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Electric is fine for short range driving. I use an electric golf cart in my town.

You can generate your own electricity through a variety of means. The answer to a lot of these planned scarcity problems (aside from being part of a strong community) is to live next to water and or have a plentiful well. Aside from the fact that it can provide fish (expect fishing to be attacked by the media in the ocean because "radioactivity, nuclear waste, etc.") you can also generate power using water and gravity.

One experiment we are playing with is using the Tesla valvular conduit shape in a circle. A body of water (a lazy river, if you will) shaped in this way, can provide almost "perpetual motion" against blades while also harboring fish.

Personally, I have started my own "guerilla gardening" campaign. I made a hydroponic green house set up in some trays so that I am constantly sprouting food bearing seedlings. Once they are hearty enough, I transplant them throughout town. In my community, millions a year is spent on landscaping, so it seems crazy that none of them produce food or anything useful. I was threatened with lawsuits from a couple of people (you can guess (((what type of people))) they were, so I switched to doing it very secretly. Some of my more successful plants are even getting stolen. It always makes me very curious when a common sense solution is stamped out by the local Jewish community. What the F do they care if a tree in a park is a pine tree or an avocado tree?

Either way, federal employees will have access to food and fuel... so an employment change might be in order for those concerned about not having enough infrastructure, personally, to subsist.

I assume the cabal doesn't want anyone to have cars, along with other types of freedoms. It allows a lot of uncontrolled competition, especially in black markets, when there is freedom of transportation. The first step in these weirdos' mind control... I mean initiation... processes, is to deprive their followers of meat. This seems to be "on the menu", to take meat off of everyone's menus.

Being glued to screens is very helpful, as well. Now that ordering online is so ubiquitous, thanks to the scamdemic, the corporate totalitarian state doesn't need people to leave home. In fact, staying home and being subjected to 24/7 marketing to buy more stuff is far more ideal. They get the additional bonus of programming morons how to vote while advertising products at them.

You'll notice your freedom to choose certain products will be limited, as well. Remember those 4 cylinder Nissan pickup trucks? The Tacoma used to be an equivalent product. There is no equivalent product on the market, now. You can't buy a car without a black box, cameras, GPS and many other means of triangulation and surveillance inextricably built within them. There is a massive demand for this type of product, too. Those old Nissan's, reproduced exactly as they were, would sell like hot crack in the ghetto.

The new Tacoma is twice the size of the old ones. The new Nissan Frontier is fine and all... but it just isn't the same, where you can reach every component while standing over the hood.

A large group of people would not be able to manage these minor deprivations, let alone splintered factions, indicating there is a over arching plan in regards to providing you with everything needed for you to be surveilled, down to your very thoughts, and depriving you of anything truly empowering.

Expect this trend to continue.

Anything that takes the biodiesel you can make yourself will be the best "prepper" car and the diesel engines last forever if you take care of them. the old Mercedes E250 used to be the best, but I think the Chevy Cruze is the most modernized attempt. Electric is fine for short range driving. I use an electric golf cart in my town. You can generate your own electricity through a variety of means. The answer to a lot of these planned scarcity problems (aside from being part of a strong community) is to live next to water and or have a plentiful well. Aside from the fact that it can provide fish (expect fishing to be attacked by the media in the ocean because "radioactivity, nuclear waste, etc.") you can also generate power using water and gravity. One experiment we are playing with is using the Tesla valvular conduit shape in a circle. A body of water (a lazy river, if you will) shaped in this way, can provide almost "perpetual motion" against blades while also harboring fish. Personally, I have started my own "guerilla gardening" campaign. I made a hydroponic green house set up in some trays so that I am constantly sprouting food bearing seedlings. Once they are hearty enough, I transplant them throughout town. In my community, millions a year is spent on landscaping, so it seems crazy that none of them produce food or anything useful. I was threatened with lawsuits from a couple of people (you can guess (((what type of people))) they were, so I switched to doing it very secretly. Some of my more successful plants are even getting stolen. It always makes me very curious when a common sense solution is stamped out by the local Jewish community. What the F do they care if a tree in a park is a pine tree or an avocado tree? Either way, federal employees will have access to food and fuel... so an employment change might be in order for those concerned about not having enough infrastructure, personally, to subsist. I assume the cabal doesn't want anyone to have cars, along with other types of freedoms. It allows a lot of uncontrolled competition, especially in black markets, when there is freedom of transportation. The first step in these weirdos' mind control... I mean initiation... processes, is to deprive their followers of meat. This seems to be "on the menu", to take meat off of everyone's menus. Being glued to screens is very helpful, as well. Now that ordering online is so ubiquitous, thanks to the scamdemic, the corporate totalitarian state doesn't need people to leave home. In fact, staying home and being subjected to 24/7 marketing to buy more stuff is far more ideal. They get the additional bonus of programming morons how to vote while advertising products at them. You'll notice your freedom to choose certain products will be limited, as well. Remember those 4 cylinder Nissan pickup trucks? The Tacoma used to be an equivalent product. There is no equivalent product on the market, now. You can't buy a car without a black box, cameras, GPS and many other means of triangulation and surveillance inextricably built within them. There is a massive demand for this type of product, too. Those old Nissan's, reproduced exactly as they were, would sell like hot crack in the ghetto. The new Tacoma is twice the size of the old ones. The new Nissan Frontier is fine and all... but it just isn't the same, where you can reach every component while standing over the hood. A large group of people would not be able to manage these minor deprivations, let alone splintered factions, indicating there is a over arching plan in regards to providing you with everything needed for you to be surveilled, down to your very thoughts, and depriving you of anything truly empowering. Expect this trend to continue.

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The real problem with electric vehicles is that it removes your ability to make long road trips. With a petrol vehicle, when you are empty and at the end of the range, you can just put more fuel into it, it takes 10 minutes, tops. If you are lucky enough to find a supercharger station in range, you have 15 minutes to recharge if it's a V3 station. If you don't, you will have to wait HOURS to go anywhere.

Electric vehicles are a huge step backwards for anyone who has to travel more than 300 to 400 miles in a single journey. And no one talks about it. I've driven almost 1000 miles in a day before, you simply can't do that in an electric car right now.

you have 15 minutes to recharge if it's a V3 station

I wonder if those systems can do multiple vehicles at a time, like a gas station.

A somewhat busy fuel station has almost every pump taken with everyone filling up at the same time with about 10-18 cars at a time. A supercharger system would need huge amounts of wiring and transformers nearby to handle the same energy loads.

Doable, but look at how many fuel stations there are around. Granted most would be charging at home as well.

But in terms of total energy and peak loads, if everyone had EVs and no gas/diesel, the entire grid would literally have to be rebuilt several times over to handle peak power loads without issues.

Furthermore, all your ability is one source, electricity.

With gasoline/diesel, that is non-electric and a hedge against electrical issues.

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I didn't read you comment.

It was too long, and I have to go to sleep.

That being said, the push for electric vehicles and a smart grid means one thing; Control over transportation.

Nothing more.

Nothing less.

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its worse than that but.

'we want to remove carbon'

wave a wand and magic away all the carbon in the atmosphere everything dies. very very quickly.

why you think these people all want to go underground. cos there wont be breathable air up here if they get their way.

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Where do people think electricity comes from?

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Saw a Volvo ad last night. "We are going electric only. TODAY" im like... bye bye Volvo

I dont know a lot about america, but have lived in the UK. in the UK you cant go 5 minutes down any road in any direction before hitting a town village or something with people in it. America much bigger space and i know you have a couple of deserts out there but lots of people.

My country goes from having a neighbour you can shout at through a wall like where i live, to having to drive for 2 days to see your nearest neighbour. There are kids who have only ever seen water coming from a tap. No river, no beaches. NO RAIN.

Mail runs get done by plane in some places. Theres a butcher who has a shop literally in his truck where him and his wife literally go town to town in the outback running a butchers business, plus mobile or airborne supermarkets banks welfare facilities and banking.. Thats how fucking big this place is. Literally no other way for these people to get those services without it being pretty much a vacation.

Anyone who thinks electric vehicles are or will ever be appropriate in Australia is so fucking deluded it hurts, not because it hurts me to try and dumb myself down to the level i can understand why they think that way, but because we are now shutting down petrol refineries and goddamn overseas car manufacturers, within a couple of years of pulling out of manufacturing here and raping that industry, are now pushing electric cars.

How fucking far do you think you are going to get an 8 trailer long cattle road train before you have to stop to charge it, and given that the equivalent takes some 20-30 minutes to fill up entirely with fuel at a hi-flow bowser, how long you think youre gonna have to sit there with an electric truck being charged?

Its beyond fucking stupid, all for a complete lie. "We want to take the carbon out of the air" That fucking kills everything. Carbon is an absolutely essential and natural part of this world, trees inhale the shit and put out oxygen, we inhale oxygen and put out carbon. Its called life. Take Carbon out all the trees die, trees die we die. Y'all fucking learned that in grade 1, no amount of propaganda changes this.

Saw a Volvo ad last night. "We are going electric only. TODAY" im like... bye bye Volvo I dont know a lot about america, but have lived in the UK. in the UK you cant go 5 minutes down any road in any direction before hitting a town village or something with people in it. America much bigger space and i know you have a couple of deserts out there but lots of people. My country goes from having a neighbour you can shout at through a wall like where i live, to having to drive for 2 days to see your nearest neighbour. There are kids who have only ever seen water coming from a tap. No river, no beaches. NO RAIN. Mail runs get done by plane in some places. Theres a butcher who has a shop literally in his truck where him and his wife literally go town to town in the outback running a butchers business, plus mobile or airborne supermarkets banks welfare facilities and banking.. Thats how fucking big this place is. Literally no other way for these people to get those services without it being pretty much a vacation. Anyone who thinks electric vehicles are or will ever be appropriate in Australia is so fucking deluded it hurts, not because it hurts me to try and dumb myself down to the level i can understand why they think that way, but because we are now shutting down petrol refineries and goddamn overseas car manufacturers, within a couple of years of pulling out of manufacturing here and raping that industry, are now pushing electric cars. How fucking far do you think you are going to get an 8 trailer long cattle road train before you have to stop to charge it, and given that the equivalent takes some 20-30 minutes to fill up entirely with fuel at a hi-flow bowser, how long you think youre gonna have to sit there with an electric truck being charged? Its beyond fucking stupid, all for a complete lie. "We want to take the carbon out of the air" That fucking kills everything. Carbon is an *absolutely essential and natural* part of this world, trees inhale the shit and put out oxygen, we inhale oxygen and put out carbon. Its called life. Take Carbon out all the trees die, trees die we die. Y'all fucking learned that in grade 1, no amount of propaganda changes this.

You can use solar and batteries to charge your electric car. You can't make your own oil.

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Do you make your own solar panels and batteries too?

That's not the point and you know it.

Good luck carrying enough solar panels to charge that big ass, high voltage battery

I mean it kinda is. What makes you think that solar panels and batteries are going to be accessible if gasoline isn't accessible. Id also go on to suggest that to charge up a tesla in a reasonable amount of time is going to take over 300 sqft of panels. You arent going to do it with one of those backpack sized solar panels unless you are prepared to be charging for a many many months.

tesla models s battery: 100kwh typical residential solar panel 65" x 40" 250w/h 4 = 1 kw/h

If you wanted to charge up your battery in 10 hours you need 40 (722 sqft) of panels getting 100% sun which isn't always available unless you are in a desert.

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You guys are arguing that buying from a different supply chain makes you energy independent. OK. So the battery manufacturing plants are less collective than a petroleum refinery? A Tesla battery bank from a state of the art lithium battery manufacturing facility that needs replaced every 10 years is less complicated than an oil refinery? OK you’re right.

How easy is it to mass mine lithium for batteries and rare earth metals for solar panels? You need suitable mining locations for these items just like you need oil reserves.

I get it, maybe your method is more durable but you’re still relying on a massive scale supply chain.

It's possible to make biodiesel if you have a diesel vehicle. And solar is still way over priced, especially if it's not part of a grid-tied system, which would have problems if the grid was out. But it's something to consider.

Where are you going to go if there is no electricity?

Also panels and batteries will eventually wear out. Panels last a long time, but they still have a lifespan.

In the case of charging for a commute at night, solar panels don't work at night. A tesla power wall is expensive, compared to good cheap gas.. which is reliably available when they don't fuck around.

You can convert your car to run on ethanol.

The best way to have a self-sustaining vehicle off grid, is to power it through wood gasification. Literally wood.

Build a wood-smoke gasifier

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Hell get some tubing and turn you motor into hydrogen powered with a large glass bottle some tubing and wires. You can filter your own water and run for almost free just make sure your setup is safe by padding the bottle and using the most secure method to connect the tubing you use and drive safely so you have no impacts to knock something loose. There are dozens at least of video's on the internet of hydrogen powered vehicles that don't need that Bush recommended filter or whatever it is to convert the water expensively.

'Just convert your car to hydrogen, goy! It's so simple, everyone's already done it! You can pee in the tank!'

Did you even watch one video at all. Seriously you sound like I did before I saw that if some people did this and passed it on to neighbors the oil and electric car business would be out of business almost. The thing is in cold regions of the country they would need a battery to run a heater to keep the water from freezing when parking the car for an hour or overnight to keep the bottle from shattering from the water to ice expansion. In summer it's all good like 6 month a year then back to gas once freezing temps occur.

I realize the tech exists, but if it were feasible for the average schmuck we would all be doing it. I don't have the interest to look into it further.

I only lived through one gas shortage and it had no significant impact on me. I happened to have a 250cc enduro bike at the time. 60mpg and ran it off gas siphoned from my truck. I was also able to get around fallen trees that blocked the road for everyone else. It's a prepper must-have.

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