You might be smarter than you let on. :)
That's hilarious. Wrong, but still hilarious.
I've come to realize temperance is the issue of biggest concern, not IQ.
Do you mean temperament as in disposition or temperance the virtue? I'm just asking because typically people only mean the former when discussing that movement about alcohol. Either way, I have some disagreements, but I wouldn't mind hearing your reasoning. I've been neglecting to write some posts on IQ in (that's human biodiversity) for a while. A discussion may be helpful.
Do you want to participate in our conversation about the moon?
I'm not sure I know enough to contribute very well, but I could try.
Do you mean temperament as in disposition or temperance the virtue?
UUUmmmmm. I'm not sure :) Temperance probably, but I never highly considered there was much difference.
I guess I mean the ability to not give in to our carnal urges. Like the ability to think through a multi-layered problem without saying "fuck it, I give up."
People who lack temperance (as far as what I've seen) are more carnally pulled and under duress are more likely to buy shit, cheat on their spouses, and what not. That's what I was referring to. Your response with not trying to tell me I'm an idiot made me think of it.
I saw this documentary series a while back called "7-up" which is a series that they tune back into people every 7 years in the UK. They just released 63-up I think, so they are getting old now. In one of the interviews the psychologist (?) was asked what the one thing that showed a person was going to be successful in life. He said it was something called "the candy experiment", where the kids were told to not eat a candy in a bowl and if they came back and the candy was there they'd get two candies. According to the psychologist, the kids who held off on eating the candy were most likely to have good careers, stable home life and be successful. I didn't catch how correlative it was, but I started to take notes on people around me and also started watching my own temperance, like talking myself out of giving up on things and whatnot. It was quite illuminating to say the least. I've read a ton of cognitive bias books and whatnot and given everything else I've found, I don't believe modern psychology in the least ... some is probably good, but I really take it with a grain of salt and try to validate myself. The temperance thing holds up with my observations for over 10 years. I would say to observe this yourself, unless you have any good references that you trust that say otherwise?
I have also come to the idea that this temperance may have been culled off of certain "races" like how certain dogs are bred this way. This also may explain some events in Europe vs other places. But, in this it's just a hunch. If this is true, it may explain what the Kalergi plan is really about (see Rhodesia, Liberia and South Africa for examples), as people with less temperance make better slaves and area easily "hyped" into buying things under duress.
I'm not a psychologist, so I'd definitely appreciate more discussion on it.
I'm not sure I know enough to contribute very well, but I could try.
None of us know for certain. Fresh, and patient perspectives are what is needed.
Oh! You do mean temperance. In terms of Big 5 personality that trait is called conscientiousness and it is quite important for life outcomes. It's second most. Second to IQ actually.
I have also come to the idea that this temperance may have been culled off of certain "races" like how certain dogs are bred this way.
Actually, it's more like temperance/conscientiousness was instilled in some races more than others. Cold Winters theory suggests so, even though most people usually focus on IQ with that.
Darn, you pointed out that I didn't word it very well. And I agree with you. What I meant to say was that "impulsive" people may have been culled off in Europe over the last millennia. I take it people didn't take well to any underlings talking back to the pope during the 1000+ years of despotic, communist rule the vatican had in Europe. I could be wrong, it's just a hunch.
conscientiousness and it is quite important for life outcomes. It's second most. Second to IQ actually.
This could be what I was meaning. I don't work in the field but need to get my words more straight, I appreciate it.
I know many high IQ individuals who are kind of like crazed psychopaths. Sex addicts, secret drug addicts, plus other problems. They are very likely to attack you secretly if you critique them out of turn. Academia is far overrun with sharks, not dolphins. It's not that all high IQ people have this issue at all, just that I've noticed this issue among high IQ people that I spend time with (regression to the mean fallacy??). Some of these narcissistic qualities in academia is highlighted in "Tribal Leadership" (can't remember the author) where he talks about the "I'm great, and you're not" level, which is identified as a level of "self mastery". To get to the higher levels requires more than IQ.
This gives me another consideration and realization. I kind of made my assumptions independent of IQ and you've clued me into something. When I hold IQ constant I saw a correlation of success "conscientiousness." This is actually another realization that is crystallizing things a bit more. I for sure need to experiment and review more on this, as this may nicely explain why it's harder to red-pill "normies."
Good stuff, we should talk more. I read your intro writeup on eugenics in the other sub you mentioned. Interesting.
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