> Do you mean temperament as in disposition or temperance the virtue? UUUmmmmm. I'm not sure :) Temperance probably, but I never highly considered there was much difference. I guess I mean the ability to not give in to our carnal urges. Like the ability to think through a multi-layered problem without saying "fuck it, I give up." People who lack temperance (as far as what I've seen) are more carnally pulled and under duress are more likely to buy shit, cheat on their spouses, and what not. That's what I was referring to. Your response with not trying to tell me I'm an idiot made me think of it. I saw this documentary series a while back called "7-up" which is a series that they tune back into people every 7 years in the UK. They just released 63-up I think, so they are getting old now. In one of the interviews the psychologist (?) was asked what the one thing that showed a person was going to be successful in life. He said it was something called "the candy experiment", where the kids were told to not eat a candy in a bowl and if they came back and the candy was there they'd get two candies. According to the psychologist, the kids who held off on eating the candy were most likely to have good careers, stable home life and be successful. I didn't catch how correlative it was, but I started to take notes on people around me and also started watching my own temperance, like talking myself out of giving up on things and whatnot. It was quite illuminating to say the least. I've read a ton of cognitive bias books and whatnot and given everything else I've found, I don't believe modern psychology in the least ... some is probably good, but I really take it with a grain of salt and try to validate myself. The temperance thing holds up with my observations for over 10 years. I would say to observe this yourself, unless you have any good references that you trust that say otherwise? I have also come to the idea that this temperance may have been culled off of certain "races" like how certain dogs are bred this way. This also may explain some events in Europe vs other places. But, in this it's just a hunch. If this is true, it may explain what the Kalergi plan is really about (see Rhodesia, Liberia and South Africa for examples), as people with less temperance make better slaves and area easily "hyped" into buying things under duress. I'm not a psychologist, so I'd definitely appreciate more discussion on it. > I'm not sure I know enough to contribute very well, but I could try. None of us know for certain. Fresh, and patient perspectives are what is needed.