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Yeah, well, it's fucking infuriating.

You were using what is basically the exact same argument that's being used to push the global wharming theory. Hysteria based on speculation, hilighting supporting evidence and hiding the contradictory without producing anything conclusive.

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Your rebuke accepted!

I honestly thought I was providing something productive! Heh!

I mean, honestly, expand on where your concerns lie with the mrna gene therapies.

My concern is system wide because I deal with systems and i'm at the point in my career where I look at a thing I need to make and most of the time I don't want to make it BECAUSE it isn't the end product that I am worried about any longer but the back end endless support costs of having to answer questions and emails about all of the edge cases involved in inserting the new product into the ecosystem.

How would you describe your concerns?

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Oh - I should also mention that the way the immune system responds to the bare antigen is different from the way it reacts when it's included with other potential antigens. This results in a stronger response to that particular antigen. It also means that the lethal over-response that sometimes happens will also be different, and could be more or less severe. It also means that the body's reaction to later exposure to the virus might also be more or less severe.

With a hundred million people vaccinated in the US, we now have results for this "experiment". The vaccine is less harmful than the virus by a couple orders of magnitude - which is piss-poor performance and probably wouldn't have been allowed if it wasn't under a state of emergency.

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Appreciate the additional insight.

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The main concern about this vaccine, and COVID-targeting vaccines in general, is that the disease kills because the antigens it expresses tend to make the immune system overreact, so presenting the antigen apart from the disease can also make the immune system overreact. The mRNA version is intended to present the antigen at lower levels over a longer period of time than simply injecting the antigen. But it's still producing the antigen, and if your body overreacts there's no way to undo adding the antigen production to random cells in your body, it'd be many weeks before the mRNA degrades and production stops.

There are also questions as to what effects the antigen has inside cells. The mRNA itself, not so much. Simply injecting an antigen doesn't necessarily result in its uptake.

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Cool.

Can I ask you to expand on your comments around the left using arguments to push environmental concern based agendas?

What techniques did you notice that I was using that you see them using?

If you don't mind. One of the cool things about this site is that we get a chance to run into people who can talk shop about our skills vs their skills and I would be curious to hear your breakdown of what I was doing vs. what they normally do.

I have a few open conversations going on this topic, there are a bunch of people interested in how the left thinks, strategizes and operates. I would mind hearing your thoughts.