Considering that we evolved as omnivores, there's not much surprise.
Considering that we evolved as omnivores, there's not much surprise.
I'm impressed that smallpond is posting articles that contain inconvenient truths. He'll be onboard the genocide-for-ecology wagon soon.
I'm impressed that smallpond is posting articles that contain inconvenient truths. He'll be onboard the genocide-for-ecology wagon soon.
It's just one study... and food science is notoriously complex. Still, it's topical.
It's just one study... and food science is notoriously complex. Still, it's topical.
Actually it's not just one, this stuff is all over the internet:
https://thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegetarians-unhealthy-mentally-disturbed-says-new-research-33067
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/11/10/vegetarian-men-are-more-depressed-are-steaks-treatment-12129
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/well/eat/good-vegan-bad-vegan.html
https://paleoleap.com/vegetarianism-bad-environment/
https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/vegetarianism-is-not-healthy/
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/vegan-betrayal-the-myths-vs-the-realities-of-a-plants-only-diet/
...all mentioning research that says vegan/vegetarian diets are either no better (or worse) than the omnivore approach, or debunking the other claims of the anti-meat crowd. The above is just a small sampling, found in under ten minutes of searching....plenty more where this came from.
Actually it's not just one, this stuff is all over the internet:
https://thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegetarians-unhealthy-mentally-disturbed-says-new-research-33067
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/11/10/vegetarian-men-are-more-depressed-are-steaks-treatment-12129
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/well/eat/good-vegan-bad-vegan.html
https://paleoleap.com/vegetarianism-bad-environment/
https://www.alexfergus.com/blog/8-proven-reasons-why-vegan-and-vegetarian-diets-easily-ruin-your-body
https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/vegetarianism-is-not-healthy/
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/vegan-betrayal-the-myths-vs-the-realities-of-a-plants-only-diet/
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/twenty-two-reasons-not-to-go-vegetarian/
https://www.sciencealert.com/vegetarian-and-healthy-diets-may-actually-be-worse-for-the-environment-study-finds
...all mentioning research that says vegan/vegetarian diets are either no better (or worse) than the omnivore approach, or debunking the other claims of the anti-meat crowd. The above is just a small sampling, found in under ten minutes of searching....plenty more where this came from.
is the guy to chat to. I think the cost of meat/dairy should reflect the associated environmental costs - hence we should eat less. I don't see the need to reduce my intake to zero and be a vegan.
@Aragorn is the guy to chat to. I think the cost of meat/dairy should reflect the associated environmental costs - hence we should eat less. I don't see the need to reduce my intake to zero and be a vegan.
@aragorn
Interesting, I'll check it out
Interesting, I'll check it out
It's a cross-sectional study, meaning it's a snapshot in time, meaning you can't prove cause and effect.
More here: https://invidio.us/watch?v=dCPN7DKEj1Y
It's a cross-sectional study, meaning it's a snapshot in time, meaning you can't prove cause and effect.
More here: https://invidio.us/watch?v=dCPN7DKEj1Y
What's your take on this?
@smallpond
What's your take on this?
I more-or-less agree, food science is pretty fickle and it's just one study in one country.
Edit: regarding the video, it's obviously a rebuttal from someone with a clear vested interest, but he brings up a few good points. I don't appreciate him saying or implying that the study's authors are saying 'vegetarianism causes disease' - because they're not. Very useful to hear from the other-side. If you really want to know more, you're going to have to do more in-depth research.
I more-or-less agree, food science is pretty fickle and it's just one study in one country.
Edit: regarding the video, it's obviously a rebuttal from someone with a clear vested interest, but he brings up a few good points. I don't appreciate him saying or implying that the study's authors are saying 'vegetarianism causes disease' - because they're not. Very useful to hear from the other-side. If you really want to know more, you're going to have to do more in-depth research.
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