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Going along the idea that God just knows why do we go to mass or why is that a requirement for so many religions? It seems to me it's unnecessary because one should always love and be in communication with God all the time. Being a Catholic they say you go because you're receiving the Eucharist and that's the way of showing your love for God and thanking God for giving us Jesus.

I always wonder as well why did Jesus have to die to forgive our sins? I don't understand why that had to happen. Was it God's way of showing us that God cared so much for us that Jesus was a reverse sacrifice (of sorts). You sacrifice for me now I will sacrifice for you.

Going along the idea that God just knows why do we go to mass or why is that a requirement for so many religions? It seems to me it's unnecessary because one should always love and be in communication with God all the time. Being a Catholic they say you go because you're receiving the Eucharist and that's the way of showing your love for God and thanking God for giving us Jesus. I always wonder as well why did Jesus have to die to forgive our sins? I don't understand why that had to happen. Was it God's way of showing us that God cared so much for us that Jesus was a reverse sacrifice (of sorts). You sacrifice for me now I will sacrifice for you.

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It's my understanding that partaking in communion, the imbibing of the consecrated holy eucharist and blood of Christ is pretty much the pinnacle of sacrements; viz, Christ is literally present in the eucharist and blood (wine) as you take him into your being at the moment of communion. Once the host is fully in your belly the real presence is no longer in the bread and or wine.

That's why you can't take the host home and eat it later.

Why did Christ die for us? As humans we're incapable of being sinnless and loving as God loves us. Jesus died for us to restore the love between the weak and sinful human and God. God in the form of the man Jesus, loves perfectly, therefore atones for our sins.

It's why the jews hate Christians because we are the chosen not jews.

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It's tough because the Catholic church makes things so difficult because of all the annoying pageantry involved. It'd be amazing if there was a church that would just embrace the bread and wine as the body and blood without all the wizardry add ons.

Jesus loved us so much that he died for us. I do wonder what else we could have learned from him over the years of he waited 10 more to do this.

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100%. Makes me wonder so often: what would we have done if Jesus came to the earth today? Would he have been lauded and followed adoringly or would he have been routed and murdered like the David Koreshes of the world (for example).

I suspect the latter. Especially now under global zionist jew occupation.

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It'd be amazing if there was a church that would just embrace the bread and wine as the body and blood without all the wizardry add ons.

There is. Lutheran (LCMS - important!).

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Maybe I'll see if I can find a service that I can watch online. I know it's not the same but I am curious.

I'm happy with my relationship with God to be honest. But how are other folks living with God perks my curiosity

A lot of fellows on here helped me look differently at things and I appreciate that more than I can express.

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Church is how you get in touch with God.

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how do we get in touch with Yukon though?

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What do you mean by that? Is there not a way to talk with God sitting in your home or walking on a trail?

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That is simply communicating with Him.

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But isn't that good? I think that's perfect.

Talking with my father about this today. He said that Jesus also said that I'm going to paraphrase but if you pray with two know that I am there. And that's how he rationalized the reason for going to church. That's kind of what got me thinking about this post.

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The Catholic church has implemented so many unnecessary "sacraments" it's ridiculous.

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I agree. I kind of think it's a way to feed the pig. There's so much pageantry and ceremony surrounding everything. It really muddies the water no matter how much they say it doesn't.

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Let me be extra clear here. I don't believe that the Catholic church is even on the right track. Over the last 2,000 years they turned it into a man made, money grabbing, political tool.

You don't need ANYONE as a go between with God. You can have, and you MUST have, personal relationship with God.

Anyone can baptize anyone and just because you're baptized doesn't mean it ensures your entry to heaven.

Nobody can be "excommunicated" from the church because the church is the body of Christ, aka people who believe God sent His only Son, to die for us, so that our sins may be absolved and covered so we can be joined with Him in heaven.

And the way we get to heaven? Ask Jesus into your heart, your life. Repent of the old ways of your life - your sin. Believe. We are saved by grace through faith. Nobody and nothing can take that salvation away.

And the whole thing with Mary, the virgin mother of Jesus Christ, that's bordering on actually sinful. She plays NO role in the faith. She doesn't DO anything. I'd even go so far as to say they use her as a false idol.

As for Mass, we should all WANT to be with other Believers. To have that community, for lots of reasons. But technically, no, it isn't REQUIRED for salvation.

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This makes sense. That we are the body of Christ when we accept him into our hearts and our lives.

I also agree that the Catholic church is more of a business than an actual avenue to build a relationship with Jesus, God and the holy Spirit. My brother broke away and he became an Episcopalian. My father still at absolute devout Catholic and that'll be the way for him until he's dead. Me, I haven't been to church in forever, although I did go after my mother just died to be there for my dad and I was literally embarrassed to listen to how far they've fallen.

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From the LCMS perspective, Luther considers the mandate just bare ritual; yet not to attend a church at all leaves a Christian without the community (Body) of Christ.

quick search yields this PDF (wordandworld.luthersem.edu) from whence we get this excerpt:

Luther clarifies, however, that this kind of Sabbath remembrance "is not restricted…to a particular time so that it must be precisely this day or that, for in itself no one day is better than another. Actually, worship ought to take place daily. However, because this is more than the common people can do, at least one day a week ought to be set apart for it.… This, then, is the simple meaning of this commandment: Because we observe holidays anyhow, we should use them to learn God’s Word. The real business of this day should be preaching for the benefit of young people and the poor common folk. However, the observance of rest should not be so restrictive as to forbid incidental and unavoidable work."

based.

@Fumduck to help

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Pick a day for remembrance, interesting. The problem with Catholicism to me is that it was just pounded into you, and there was no real explanation. This is what you do and you'll do it this way or you're going to get beaten by a nun. It's very flawed and toxic. But it's all I know. I went to mass for the first time in forever. The week after my mother died and I wanted to walk out about 10 minutes in. It was just a clown show to me and none of it made sense. I felt empty when I left that place. And I shouldn't feel that way. Maybe that just means I need to look for a better place to share faith with others.

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IME Luther kept the rituals that made sense and provided meaning. Lutheranism probably is the closest Protestant denomination to Roman Catholicism aside from Episcopalians (and we all know where that perfidy came from, sheesh...).

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My brother's an Episcopalian and he likes it. And there is an Episcopalian Church in my town. I drive by it everyday when I'm home. I'm not sure about a Lutheran one though, that could be tricky.