OMW, you're listening, great! I'm trying to in between "work" work. >don't focus on the machines" Right, Zom - the machines are, for lack of a better way to say it - a symptom of the underlying problem - and also the means of keeping attention off the underlying problem. If you were a Globalist running an election fraud cartel with a strong core system, and you knew the extent of your fraud was so vast that Patriots would definitely question the results, what would you do? You'd set it up so that the fraud investigations would look away from the underlying structure - a structure that you could not afford to lose. So the machines were an easy way to make it look like "ok, we have fraud here while keeping the underlying system intact". The worst case scenario is that the machines would have to be replaced - and a trusting public would be placated into thinking "all is well." And who would have new machines ready to go? Right. And who controls the certification and state procurement of machines? Right. The cartel. So, imo, that's why many people who came forward right after the election about the machines were opposition assets (I don't include Shiva in that group, although I don't necessarily believe his goals are the same as Pats are.)