Look, folks - I'm just linking various public articles together - not pushing any narrative, but looking at the overall situation. * https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60655349 Ukraine has been pretty effective with MANPADS Russia's public performance has not been all that impressive so far. Also, the US's color revolution (corruption) in Ukraine by Obama/Biden has not helped anything in this situation. This entire endeavor is a meat grinder for all parties involved. We the people in the US are being played by everyone - including our own government for their own purposes.