This is why they want to hide their work for 100 years.
Rebuttals from actual published research that have been peer reviewed with results duplication:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2106599
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02183-8/fulltext
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110362
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2106757
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2106757
Here is a systematic review and meta-analysis of the available data:
https://idpjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40249-021-00915-3
And the full rebuttal, peer reviewed, and published, to this type of reasoning:
We have read with interest the correspondence by Subramanian and Kumar [1] and found some major methodological issues which are worth discussing. The authors use an ecological approach to investigate the association of the percentage of population fully vaccinated with the trend in newly reported cases of positive SARS-Cov-2 tests between two consecutive 7-day time periods.
i. Basing the analysis entirely on data from two weeks instead of using the complete time-period since the beginning of the vaccination appears arbitrary.
ii. The analysis does not assess the size of the change in the number of positive test reports between the two time periods, but only evaluates whether a region had reported an increase in positive tests or not.
iii. Another issue arises in comparing countries with enormous differences in terms of testing capacities and/or strategies, availability of vaccines, socioeconomic factors and demographic structures of the populations. One way to overcome this limitation could have been the stratification of the results according to continent awhile accounting for age. The lack of presentation of results makes their interpretation very challenging.
iv. Citing preliminary data from the CDC [2], the authors report an increase in the rates of hospitalizations and deaths amongst the fully vaccinated. However, this representation is incorrect as the CDC report rather evaluates the proportion of fully vaccinated among those hospitalized. The latter proportion is expected to rise as the number of fully vaccinated people increases. Furthermore, this statistic is subject to Simpson’s paradox as the vaccination rate among the elderly is particularly high, as is their risk for severe COVID-19 disease [3].
We agree that vaccination alone does not suffice as strategy to control the spread of the COVID-19 pandemic which instead requires integrating several measures [4]. However, since health outcomes among vaccinated and unvaccinated are not compared in a controlled individual-level study, increasing rates of deaths/hospitalizations even though vaccination rates improve does not, by itself, demonstrate a reduced efficacy of vaccines. In ecological studies, confounders and within-group misclassification may dilute, inflate, or even reverse any association. None of these limitations are mentioned or discussed.
In conclusion, although the authors correctly point out that vaccination alone may not be sufficient to reduce infection rates, their conclusions are not justified by their analysis. Further epidemiological evidence with individual information is needed to examine the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccination in real world studies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8703205/
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Thank you Patriot, please make a thread with this information.
First, the study uses confirmed COVID cases at the country or county level as the primary measure of vaccine efficacy. While the total number of cases remains an important indicator, it does not capture the key component of a successful vaccination strategy, which is a reduction in severe cases, hospitalizations and deaths. Controlling hospitalization is also crucial to limit the burden on the health systems. Therefore, the primary outcome in this study is inappropriate, or at least insufficient, and COVID-related hospitalizations, severe forms and deaths should have been reported. While the authors mention the omission of hospitalizations and severe forms as a potential limitation of their analysis, they do so to highlight that “the CDC reported an increase from 0.01 to 9% and 0 to 15.1% (between January to May 2021) in the rates of hospitalizations and deaths, respectively, amongst the fully vaccinated.” We find this statement misleading. Indeed, this time period corresponds to the beginning of the vaccination campaign, where vaccines were offered to a small high-risk part of the population, mainly the elderly and individuals with serious comorbidities. This is visible in the fact that vaccination for all adults was only available in April in the USA and in May in many other countries (e.g., France or Germany). Furthermore, the effect of an increasing vaccination rate on hospitalizations and deaths figures has been widely explained (e.g., [2]).
Then, the number of confirmed cases is not an accurate measure of the spread of the disease: its accuracy is dependent on the testing capacity, on the national testing policies [3]), on the implementation of Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions (NPIs) [4], on the individual behavioral responses [5], and on the accurate recording of these, none of which were accounted for in the analysis. Not including these factors can lead to biases in the estimation of the effect of any intervention (as explained in [6]). Although this is identified as one of the main limitations of the study, the interpretation of the results was made using causal language without caution, despite the authors’ awareness of the issue.
The timing between the two measurements is also an issue. An arbitrary seven-day time-window for the incidence of COVID-19 cases was used without justification which could lead to include non-representative cases or compare countries over different epidemic phases. Such a short period would only give a cross-sectional view of a phenomenon spanning over months and a seven-day window is not a relevant clinical threshold. Notably, one is considered fully vaccinated 14 days after the second shot. Fourteen days would be the minimum to observe an individual-level effect, but the evaluation of the indirect effect of vaccination on transmission would require an extended follow-up. Vaccinating is a long, continuous process, occurring jointly with successive epidemic “waves”. In addition, while the authors mention a “sensitivity analysis” available in the supplementary materials, it is not available. This seven-day time window thus appears unjustified and does not allow the estimation of the effectiveness of vaccination. Besides, the vaccination status of a population does not capture the population immunisation status, by excluding previously infected individuals. In countries with low vaccination rate but high seroprevalence, the immunisation status of the population remains unclear.
The inclusion/exclusion criteria are either not well defined or were not rigorously followed. The authors have specified that they included “68 countries that met the following criteria: had second dose vaccine data available; had COVID-19 case data available; had population data available; and the last update of data was within 3 days prior to or on September 3, 2021.” These are set without any justification. Furthermore, many countries provide all of this information but are not included in their analysis (such as France, the United Kingdom, Germany, Switzerland, or Spain). In addition, many included countries are low and middle income countries which have less testing capacities and might suffer a higher, yet under-reported, burden from COVID-19 [7].
Moreover, the lack of adjustment for key confounding factors could explain the reported inefficacy of the vaccine. Indeed, the statistical analysis involves an unadjusted linear regression and three descriptive plots. This only allows the readers to gauge raw (confounded) statistical associations. However, the interpretation of these results in the manuscript is causal, which therefore conveys an inaccurate message.
Finally, based on the graphs only, the authors concluded absence of association between the vaccination coverage and the incidence. The categorisation of the proportion of vaccinated people into 15 categories is arbitrary, and we cannot find an empirical justification for the claim that “cases per 100,000 people in the last seven days is largely similar across the categories of percent of the population fully vaccinated”. Yet, if we perform a simple non-parametric Kruskal–Wallis test to compare the distribution of cases across these 15 groups (χ2 = 399.39, df = 14, p-value < 0.01), followed by a multiple pairwise Wilcoxon test (Bonferroni corrected), there is a strong evidence that a higher vaccination rate is associated with a lower 7-day incidence. Out of 105 pairwise comparisons, 67 showed a significant difference, with an adjusted p-value < 0.05. Among these, the category (70–100) has a significantly lower seven-day incidence than every category < 50%. This is even clearer from the raw data, where a trend fitted from a generalized additive model shows a decreasing incidence from 50% vaccine coverage onwards. Although this analysis does not account for confounding factors either, it illustrates that the data provided in the manuscript do not support the conclusions drawn by the authors.
We thus would like to highlight that the methodology does not allow the authors to draw the conclusions written in the manuscript. This paper is not up to the standards in epidemiology, and provides a narrative rather than testing hypotheses in a rigorous manner. More critically, the message conveyed in the manuscript may compromise the efforts made to encourage vaccination, despite the numerous valid scientific studies proving vaccine efficacy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8703206/
This is why research has to be peer reviewed and published in reputable journals, not Joe-Bob's blog. If you are willing to publish your research in a reputable journal, other researchers can formally counter/review your research in a public forum which follows strict scientific requirements.
The reason these snake oil salesmen do not publish their research and instead, stick to Joe-Bob's Blog, is to avoid this public debate and the publishing-rigor requirements. They like to sell their B.S. to laymen on the internet because they can get away with it and people eat it up.
They did publish. Just not to journals. Probably because the journals are complete lock-step with those managing the cull and wouldn't publish them.
Publishing to a blog is a reasonable second alternative in the face of censorship.
And they are now getting reviewed. Not optimally. But they are. As your post demonstrates. Would you prefer their paper never have been released at all? Not even to have its flaws pointed out?
The "process of science" is a distant second to the quest for truth.
Daddude is a known glowniger who works for the fbi
He is here to spread disinformation.
He is paid to see you dead.
They did publish. Just not to journals. Probably because the journals are complete lock-step with those managing the cull and wouldn't publish them.
I thoroughly enjoyed your well-reasoned and intelligent reply. It's a breath of fresh air. Most people who disagree with my points just resort to "faggot/kike/nigger/glowie/fed/etc."
You bring up great points. I have no rebuttal that's legit. Let me show you why the rebuttal is not legit - here's mine:
Because reputable medical journals have a higher quality of standard to get published.
That's subjective. I do not have data to prove my statement is objectively true. It's intuitive to me, of course. But I have no real rebuttal beyond that.
In the scientific community, we trust them because they do have standards that have to be followed. The peer review process is very good/solid when the journal editors know what they are doing. Shitty research gets through the cracks, still.
Check out this comic that supports your perspective:
https://nautil.us/blog/you-want-to-see-my-data-i-thought-we-were-friends
We should leave the work to expert Ctrl c Ctrl v cockgobblers.
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