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I need to hear it from the source, what is the atheistic argument against polygamy? It seems to me that in a Godless world, polygamy wouldn't be an awful idea for a man, that is, if he could manage it. Spread those genes all over town.

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Polygamy is awful. Look at the fucking gorillas! One male is strong enough to control the harem. He spends all his time fighting of the other aspiring males. The betas just fight each other and jerk off at the periphery. And what can the females expect? Help raising or feeding their child from the father? Not fucking likely. Eventually the alpha gets murdered by some upstart who then murders the previous silverback’s babies.

What are you selecting for? Attentive fathers? Attentive husbands? Egalitarianism? Stabilty? No,no,no,no. You are selecting for large disparities between males, high violence, low prosperity.

All the polygamous societies have high violence and low egalitarianism. Monogamy seems to be a more successful strategy in colder climates anyway, males participate more in child rearing and instead of fighting each other over a scarcity of females there is more incentive for male cooperation and wealth building.

Look at the shitshow middle-east. They are never not murdering each other. They cant stop. They have been following a polygamist culture for millenia, and it makes sense for men to murder each other so they can have 4 females a piece. And old men fucking little girls. Typical polygamist shit. What are the 18 yr old men supposed to do with themselves. Thats right, invade some other culture and start raping their woman. They have been genetically selecting for this for thousands of years.

And what kind of countries do those polygamists build? They dont build anything. They are all corrupt and lazy.

Among europeans polygamy only seems to happen with the wealthiest men like trump and mel. Or henry viii. Until rather recently anyway.

I think divorce is a real problem. Enforced monogamy was a successful strategy for europeans for a long time. Destroying it is destroying us. Christianity was the ostensible reason for it. But the actual reason is it conferred evolutuionary success.

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I mean, they eat leaves that grow all around them year-round and face no cold. Why would they need caring fathers?

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Thats right. Thats why some of these people live barely better than gorrillas.

We must re-institute monogamy.

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Ah, but you can't get an ought from an is.

What is evolution selecting for? Quality of life? Certainly not. It is mindless and undirected. It is selecting for the highest frequency of reproduction, just as long as the children survive more frequently on average than they die.

I see most of the critiques you've made of Islam haven't been of the fact that evolution is wiping them out, but of other things evolution doesn't seem to give a shit about, if we're just looking at the planet in terms of numbers. The influence of the Zionist West cannot be ignored when considering the plight of the Islamic middle east today; it's not just the result of polygamy that they are in the shape they are. In fact, Islam in the middle ages was probably the most advanced and cultured group on the planet, far more scientifically and mathematically developed than the Christians of the same era. The Renaissance wouldn't have happened without Islam, most likely.

Look at the number of Muslims compared with Christians today. Who is winning the evolutionary game? Perhaps you say it's due to their violence. If that is an evolutionary strategy coupled with their polygamist attributes, it hardly matters. Evolution doesn't care about right or wrong.

I think you've got some distinctly moral intuitions that you can't justify with evolutionary arguments :).

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You make a good point. But why cant I have a preference for quality of life. Can I choose being a european over being a gorilla? Or a mussel growing on a rock?

Can I give a shit about whether my society pursues a head choppy strategy or more cooperative one? Can I not prefer the strategy of my society?

I think the scientific contributions of the islamic “golden age” are a bit exagerated but how many of those advances were within 5 or 10 generations of islamic conquest. Now that we are on generation 50 or 75 of islam, what do we see?

How would you explain the massively high violence you see in muslims compared to their neighbors? Or the tendency toward rape? Every single place islam exists. Southeast asia, central asia, iran, the levant, north africa.

Even in Nigeria, the coastal blacks are terrified of inland islamists. I think following the religion for centuries causes populations to select for violent traits. I also think that following judaism has caused jews to accumulate some exploitive and secretive behaviors. Cultures produce selective pressures just like physical environments.