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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirth "a semi‑artificial script, based on real‑life runic alphabets, invented by J. R. R. Tolkien for the constructed languages he devised and used in his works. Cirth is written with a capital letter when referring to the writing system; the letters themselves can be called cirth." The Cirth is not the only runic writing system used by Tolkien in his legendarium. In fact, he devised a great number of runic alphabets, of which only a few others have been published. Some of these are included in the "Appendix on Runes" of The Treason of Isengard (The History of Middle-earth, vol. VII), edited by Christopher Tolkien.[19] According to Tolkien himself, those found in The Hobbit are a form of "English runes" used in lieu of the Dwarvish runes proper.[20] They can be interpreted as an attempt made by Tolkien to adapt the Fuþorc (i.e., the Old English runic alphabet) to the Modern English language.[21]

These runes are basically the same found in Fuþorc, but their sound may change according to their position, just like the letters of the Latin script: the writing mode used by Tolkien is, in this case, mainly orthographic.[22] This means that the system has one rune for each Latin letter, regardless of pronunciation Tolkien devised this runic alphabet in a very early stage of his shaping of Middle-earth. Nevertheless, they are known to us from a slip of paper written by J.R.R. Tolkien, a photocopy of which Christopher Tolkien sent to Paul Nolan Hyde in February 1992. Hyde then published it, together with an extensive analysis, in the 1992 Summer issue of Mythlore, no. 69.[24] The system provides sounds not found in any of the known Elven languages of the First Age, but perhaps it was designed for a variety of languages. However, the consonants seem to be, more or less, the same found in Welsh phonology, a theory supported by the fact that Tolkien was heavily influenced by Welsh when creating Elven languages"

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Some believe that he was trying to recreate a mythos to replace the Celtic one lost to Romanization / Christianization.

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The cognitive dissonance must have been off the charts. A Christian pining for a pagan Northern European mythological past that was ruthlessly erased by the early followers of his expansive Middle Eastern faith.

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Kinda. The lost mythos appears to have not really been lost, since it was recorded in large part by the Irish (ulster cycle) and Welsh(various myths and legends). The Germanic ones also have some differences but are basically similar. There are hoardes of other Aryan myth versions that were recorded as well.

I'm not really sure that those myths didn't come from the middle east as well. We know the pheonecians were in Cornwall and the bible records the tribe of Dan being seafarers from the same place and time, and the ulster cycle is about a people/gods called the tuatha de dannon ( the tribe of Danu).

The Norse asir were probably related to the ppl in azerbaijan (where the people are known as azeirs, and Asguard is a common surname). This is also the lands of the Medes, where the lost tribes that didn't escape were brought.

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Tolkien wrote the hidden history of man into the Lord of the Rings. You have to read between the lines.

He basically explained that the Industrial Age was the end of the master race.

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J.R.R. Tolkein himself stated that the books were based on the Christian ethic. He and C. S. Lewis were good friends.

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In December of 1973, my family moved from Redondo Beach, California. Several months before that, I had puked while lining up for something at school, and ended up being sent home with a fever. Had chickenpox, but only got a single thingy (pock?). Fell asleep on the sofa, and had a dream about a beautiful blonde woman in a grey suit with a skirt, who had the cutest cloven feet. Methinks she wantd me to kiss her foot and lick her snootch; but I told her I would find my own path. I went outside, facing south, and the sky was very dark to the west, because the ocean to my right was in the sky. I could see ships and boats on it. I could see a white city. It was where the house was on (¿Shamrock Lane ?), where there are now shitty motel or apartments (because m’other uncle converted the two residential house lots, after we moved); and there is grass all around there even still, I suppose, around and beneath the power pylons. But in the dream, it was a city all in white, which I seemed to see from above. And I knew the wave was coming; but it was very very long before the wave came ashore. Then, there were tornadoes; and I knew we needed to flee. Being just after school began in 1973, this dream was within a month of J.R.R. Tolkien’s death. He also had a dream about a wave, that he gave to Éowyn. Neither Lady Satan nor the wave scared me. But those tornadoes made me wiggy a bit. Coincidence & Synchronicity. This ties with the Francis dreams I wrote of earlier.

Moreover: Our Holy Mother is not merely Mary. Almah Miram was a vessel for her, but Our Holy Mother precedes all humanity.

But I digress.

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this is hardly a secret dude, half the character and place names he uses are lifted straight from norse mythology. including gandalf i think, though i forget who he is irl.

you only need to look at the etymology of elf to realise who that is referring to. i have no idea why this knowledge has become lost, but it was basically another way of saying saxon. Alfred, Aelfrith, Aelfflaed Aelfwith etc. all those names just mean elf-x. Tolkien was into old legends and history, he was obviously very well aware that whites were in the middle east, egypt, etc. and the legends of egyptian princesses, brutus, etc. fleeing to england. The only 'conspiracy' is that his tale is clearly a fictional version of whites being pushed out of the middle east by hordes of brown people, sometimes accompanied by far south niggers. He's also a christian and well aware of the 'evil eye', mystery babylon and the jews.

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figured most probably knew more about this than me, but just found this out and thought it was pretty cool

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Gandalf and Odin share literally no personality traits, actions, motives, or ideals with each other... Pretty much the only thing I can think of that they share are that they can both read runes. You can't just spout nonsense like this without backing it up.

For shits and giggles I went and did a quick search to see what the internet idots were saying about this...

  • They both have magic horses! ...please. Shadowfax is based on old myths... but not the myth of Sleipnir. Of course they both had fancy horses. It is the modern equivalent of two celebrities both having fancy cars.

  • They both have magic weapons! ...and that is where the similarity ends. Spears are not staffs are not swords.

  • They both gained wisdom when they sacrificed themselves! Gandalf sacrificed himself to save his companions and looked for nothing in return. Odin's motives were self serving. Plucking out an eye was not a sacrifice at all but rather a carefully weighed bargain. Hanging from the tree was a journey of self discovery and introspection.

  • They both disguise themselves as old men and wander the earth! Wrong... Odin disguises himself where as Gandalf actually looks like a old man.

I bet some cocksucker got a master's degree making up this bullshit.

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Well Tolkien himself said he was based on odin.

Odin had many names to various cultures and in some versions the horse did not have eight legs. So unless we have also compared gandulfs mount to the British/Celtic/Finnish/slavic versions of him, I wouldn't rule this out.

Odin definitely had a spear in Norse mythology. I don't recall if he had one in Celtic mythology as well, but he was certainly a wizard in the later Welsh myths so a staff wouldn't be out of the question. The battle of the trees is lifted directly from one of these Welsh myths about their cognate of Woden. The time when it was written down was after they had converted and thus he was a wizard rather than a god in those stories.

Odin may have sacrificed himself to himself to gain the secret of the runes, but once he did he gave them to people, free of charge.

The disguise part of Odin, was that he was dressed like any other old man Yes he could shift shapes, but he too actually was an old man(or at least that is how the Norse depicted him). When he went in disguise, wearing his broad brimmed hat, it just meant he left the clothing and trapping of kingship behind him. And when he did, he looked a lot like how gandulf is depicted.

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Tell that to Tolkien

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Tell that to Tolkien

If he still were alive I would. Tolkien's intentions aside, the execution of the work depicts a Gandalf that bears little to no resemblance to Odin. If he intended Gandalf to be a reskined Odin, then he must of not know much about Odin... and we know that's not the case.

No, I think that people are reading way to much into that quote from Tolkien. I think that Tolkien meant "Gandalf is a Odinic wanderer" with the emphasis on 'wanderer' in the sense of how Gandalf spends his time wandering the world, concealing his true power, and getting into adventures... Not that Gandalf is a literal Odin character.

If Gandalf shared any real personality traits with Odin, middle earth would be a VERY different place.

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Gandalf actually looks like a old man.

Gandalf and the other wizards are lesser gods. They participated in creation. They chose to be incarnated in bodies, and they can discard their bodies to become formless. The role that they play is basically a hybrid of Norse gods and christian angels.

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they can discard their bodies to become formless

I am well aware that the Istar were actually Maiar and not actual men... but to my knowledge he never actually does this except for an obscure reference to how he came to middle earth formless.

The bottom line here is that countless figures from legend have cool horses, magic weapons, magic powers, can shapeshift etc. These things are true for about half of the entire Norse pantheon. None of these things make Gandalf an Odin figure. These tenuous arguments could just as easily be used to draw comparison to Zeus rather than Odin... and yes some history geek will say "there are theories that Odin was an outgrowth of the Greek Zeus in many ways..." and yeah, these cultures were definitely inspired by and drew on the prior art but that does not mean Odin IS Zeus. In the same way Tolkien was inspired by the old myths... but this also does not mean Gandalf IS Odin.

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Well yeah pretty much. Odin could read in the old tales though. He's the one that brought the runes to the people.

It's actually deeper than Norse. Gandulf maybe Odin, but Odin was the welsh gwidion and the Irish ogma. As well as having many elements from the Morrigan. The fighting trees are actually straight out of one of the welsh tales about gwidion, who survived into Christian times as a great sorcerer/hero and sometimes villain, but was originally a god who ruled over the same thing the Germanic Gwaden/Wadden/Woden/Odin ruled over.

Yes the rest of those tales are based on the ancestors tales as well. Orcs, dwarves, war like peoples and a land without a king. It all resonates with us for a reason. We've been listening to similar tales for millennia in the north and they were based on truth.

Obviously middle earth is mid guard. And the eye is from old Phoenician mythology as well. Maybe it also existed in Celtic and or Germanic mythos as well I'm not sure about that one.

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The all powerful International Jew = Sauron The Traitor = Saruman The Golden Ring = False Wealth (International banking) Orcs/Goblins = Shitskins Gollum = Man's ultimate greed/desire for false wealth

Lord of the Rings is the story of how white men let their world crumble around them in their pursuit of false power/wealth given to them by international jewery. Those that choose the simple life, the Hobbits, were uncorrupted and with the help of strong/intelligent men, who knew and understood true history, the white races united and first killed the traitor, fought back the shitskins and finally were able to overcome the allure of greed/wealth and destroy the international jew. After which, the world returned to a time of peace.

Not sure what story the rest of you were reading.

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interesting. Could be right... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem

Regarding the riddle of Gollum, it can be argued that three of Tolkien's primary sources for Gollum were Old Norse gold, the Jewish Golem, and the Christian Gospel.