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Reason has its limits. You can't logic your way out of everything and you shouldn't be expected to do so.

I often see nutcases on the left say something like, "Not all opinions are valid. Some are evil and should not be allowed."

This is of course, completely insane. But that won't stop somebody from trying to "destroy them with logic". Waste of time. You can't reason with what somebody wants. They just want it. Islam wants to conquer the world and kill all the infidels. What logic could you possibly use to dissuade them? They don't care. Are you going to hand over your house and property because you couldn't articulate an argument against it?

The obsession with logic and reasoning is a relatively recent phenomenon. Most of human history had some form of religious system as the highest authority. Then in 1641, Descartes introduced Rationalism with his Meditations and taught us that we really can't KNOW anything except that we exist. This brought us into the Enlightenment and Evidentialism; empirical evidence and sound logical proofs. William Clifford famously declared in his Ethics of Belief that if a man has no evidence for his beliefs, then he ought not to have them.

However, this is overly simplistic and not truly representative of the human experience. It certainly has its place in the sciences and criminal justice, but nowhere else is it useful as a rule. William James would teach us in The Will to Believe that life is full of decisions that can't be fully justified with evidence. Reason is a tool to be used when appropriate, not as the supreme authority for every moment of our lives. Reason has obvious limits, such as emotions, desires, religion, etc.

It is at these limits where people are united and divided. And there is nothing that can reconcile them. An attempt to do so with logic would be using a tool that doesn't even exist in the realm where the problem is. The left wants to be able to kill babies and force every child to be a tranny stripper. The right doesn't want any of that to be allowed. There is no middle ground and neither side has perfectly rational reasons for their position (if we're strictly logical, wouldn't we have to admit that abortion is valid for preventing genetic disorders?). I typically see those on the right pride themselves on having superior logic in most of their arguments. Being the "conservatives" of a society that was founded during the Enlightenment, this only makes sense (even though they've conserved nothing but that's a different discussion). However, this pride in logic is often a trap. The right avoids irrational knee-jerk reactions, preferring to wait until the perfect logical counter-argument is constructed. Memes fly back and forth until the ultimate logic bomb emerges.

Don't get me wrong, I think this process is effective and hilarious. But it isn't essential and nobody is owed it. We should be allowed to say, "No, fuck you, pedophilia is wrong. We don't want it and we shouldn't have to explain ourselves." People might complain, "But then we're just like the left!" Well yeah, you are just like them. You're a human being, not a calculator. You have wants, desires, and a sense of right and wrong that you share with other people like you. These are your kinsmen and your nation. Everybody else is a foreigner and they don't "fit in". To say that foreigners deserve a voice or a vote in the fate of your people is, quite simply, retarded. Do I have a logical reason for believing this? No. But it's how we've done it for thousands of years and it works just fine.

Reason has its limits. You can't logic your way out of everything and you shouldn't be expected to do so. I often see nutcases on the left say something like, "Not all opinions are valid. Some are evil and should not be allowed." This is of course, completely insane. But that won't stop somebody from trying to "destroy them with logic". Waste of time. You can't reason with what somebody wants. They just want it. Islam wants to conquer the world and kill all the infidels. What logic could you possibly use to dissuade them? They don't care. Are you going to hand over your house and property because you couldn't articulate an argument against it? The obsession with logic and reasoning is a relatively recent phenomenon. Most of human history had some form of religious system as the highest authority. Then in 1641, Descartes introduced Rationalism with his *Meditations* and taught us that we really can't KNOW anything except that we exist. This brought us into the Enlightenment and Evidentialism; empirical evidence and sound logical proofs. William Clifford famously declared in his *Ethics of Belief* that if a man has no evidence for his beliefs, then he ought not to have them. However, this is overly simplistic and not truly representative of the human experience. It certainly has its place in the sciences and criminal justice, but nowhere else is it useful as a rule. William James would teach us in *The Will to Believe* that life is full of decisions that can't be fully justified with evidence. Reason is a tool to be used when appropriate, not as the supreme authority for every moment of our lives. Reason has obvious limits, such as emotions, desires, religion, etc. It is at these limits where people are united and divided. And there is nothing that can reconcile them. An attempt to do so with logic would be using a tool that doesn't even exist in the realm where the problem is. The left wants to be able to kill babies and force every child to be a tranny stripper. The right doesn't want any of that to be allowed. There is no middle ground and neither side has perfectly rational reasons for their position (if we're strictly logical, wouldn't we have to admit that abortion is valid for preventing genetic disorders?). I typically see those on the right pride themselves on having superior logic in most of their arguments. Being the "conservatives" of a society that was founded during the Enlightenment, this only makes sense (even though they've conserved nothing but that's a different discussion). However, this pride in logic is often a trap. The right avoids irrational knee-jerk reactions, preferring to wait until the perfect logical counter-argument is constructed. Memes fly back and forth until the ultimate logic bomb emerges. Don't get me wrong, I think this process is effective and hilarious. But it isn't essential and nobody is owed it. We should be allowed to say, "No, fuck you, pedophilia is wrong. We don't want it and we shouldn't have to explain ourselves." People might complain, "But then we're just like the left!" Well yeah, you are just like them. You're a human being, not a calculator. You have wants, desires, and a sense of right and wrong that you share with other people like you. These are your kinsmen and your nation. Everybody else is a foreigner and they don't "fit in". To say that foreigners deserve a voice or a vote in the fate of your people is, quite simply, retarded. Do I have a logical reason for believing this? No. But it's how we've done it for thousands of years and it works just fine.

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No one ever emotion-ed a new technology or moralized a field of science into existence. Logic isn't a god, but it sure is king.

You paragraph on abortion and tranny babies is incoherent, and most of your 'unexplainable' human behavior has logical explanations. Probably because you willfully lack the ability to use logic.

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No one ever emotion-ed a new technology or moralized a field of science into existence.

Where did I say logic has no purpose?

Logic isn't a god, but it sure is king.

Logic is only a king in that it serves a people. Without a cultural context it does nothing. Human behavior is only logical within a context. If the context is "survival", then yeah you could derive logic from human behavior. It is logical to eat an apple because eating is necessary. You could call anything logical if you zoom in enough. "I wanted that bike so logically, I stole it."

Outside of a context there is nothing. What metaphysical truth explains one animal eating another? What logic explains why anything exists? How about good and evil? There's nothing there.

But I've betrayed the spirit of my post. The whole point is that we each have our own values and no amount of debate will change anybody's mind, because it can't. You see logic as a king and I don't. Not much else to say

That was my point. Logic is nothing more than a tool to understand the world around you, and no one in their right fucking mind thinks that logic is 'true' or 'correct' simply because it is logic. Logic can always be scrutinized. This whole post was a pedantic waste of time for anyone who reads it.

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You could argue that philosophy is a pedantic waste of time. I can't help but feel that this is a master level troll where you are using my own post against me. In any case, maybe nobody puts logic itself on a pedestal but there are definitely people who try to apply Evidentialism to every aspect of their lives and I'm not sure how you're not seeing my discontent with them as the core feature of this post