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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch%27s_postulates

The first one is bullshit, it excludes every illness which is sometimes asymptomatic. That alone excludes COVID, along with many other viruses. The fourth excludes any virus that mutates fast enough.

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I thought the postulates were limited when testing for viruses.

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The third is limited to bacteria.

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Which both lead to there being no point in vaccines for them.

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Only the fourth does that. I don't think COVID mutates that fast.

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When countries start claiming they have a vaccine, you better have the fucking receipt for what you based it off of.

If the companies that build a "vaccine" can't show replication of the virus then how the fuck are they putting it into the shots to use as a vaccine.

That's the whole point of this bounty.

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Dead by memorial day i bet

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Nah, more likely some jew will claim to have satisfied his requirements, take him to court for not paying up, then another jew will simply declare the first jew is self evidently correct without needing to actually argue the case.

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Its been isolated by every method you can isolate a virus by.

Its been photographed by electron microscope

It can be cultured in a cell medium and its presence can be detected in the cell medium by various means such as fluorescence and PCR. There are probably some ways I don’t know about. But if this evidence is not good enough for you, then there is no evidence the flu virus exists either.

SARS cov 2 has been isolated by all the same ways they isolate flu virus. Its difficult to observe because it is about a thousand times smaller than a human cell. Skepticism is good but full blown retard is not.

Edit: we keep calling it the ccp virus but it is the NIH virus. American scientists did half the work and the NIH and other gov agencys provided half the funding.

Edit 2: covid is real, faggots.

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Citations would be greatly appreciated here.

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Oh you’ve observed it right?

Nope.

But thanks for asserting that it’s been isolated. We totally didn’t realize anyone was claiming that.

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https://files.catbox.moe/3z5v29.JPG

Now you were saying how you don’t believe any viruses exist?

You: Viruses are not a thing.

If this isn’t good enough for you and you think chickenpox and the common cold are a conspiracy, just say so.

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That’s a computer graphic. Corona viruses have never been isolated. Period

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LOL, an image from the internet.

Here, wait a second, I can find a picture of a mermaid for you.

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Visually, it would appear as all other coronaviruses.

If the sequencers (Illumina, etc) use the Wuhan reference genome, then they are being very trustworthy of China. A digital mock up could be orchestrated to favor common "attachment" reads (where only the first several nucleotides are read) to statistically increase the chance of false positives.

If the sequencers are using the Wuhan negative control, then that is also very trusting as it would eliminate the sequencer from being able to catch whether or not the patient's sample was also infected with the flu... or another coronavirus.

All antibody and antigen tests rely on the presence of the S spike protein which is present in all human affecting coronaviruses, including the ones that cause 20% of common colds.

The first PCR tests, up until April 2020, were all SARS COV tests as the SARS COV 2 PCR tests had not yet been invented. I believe ORF1 on all betacoronaviruses are similar enough that PCR tests cannot differentiate and it states as much on the packaging and includes warnings about interference from other viruses, as well.

The finer points of how the sequencers work make it hard for the layman to understand but a few youtube videos on how to use the machines and software should help clear some of it up.

Point being, the computer does all the work using the software provided by...? On an operating system, provided by...? Their partnerships with Microsoft.

But... say we just controlled the reference genome and the negative control list. We might be able to trick anyone.

I trust the science, to be clear, when done right. However, there are many, many opportunities to insert bias into the sequencing of a genome and it starts with having too little data and filling in the blanks using the references. Like Jurassic Park did with frog DNA to fill in Dino DNA blanks.

Something to consider, anyways.

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If the sequencers (Illumina, etc) use the Wuhan reference genome, then they are being very trustworthy of China. A digital mock up could be orchestrated to favor common "attachment" reads (where only the first several nucleotides are read) to statistically increase the chance of false positives.

I don’t know the nitty gritty details of this shit. It seems like fucking insane that no one, no Russians, no Indians, no Muzzies or some rogue european researcher would try to verify the genome on his own.

I cant find it now but there was some doc that showed all the sequences that the various major pcr assays were relying on. I believe the CDC had recommendations for which regions to test based on where the most diversity exists among betacoronaviruses— I think it was the N-protein. I think most of the pcrs are now using that section as one of the sequences. They certainly were not all using the spike and the orf1. I dont think any of them are using the spike protein.

The finer points of how the sequencers work make it hard for the layman to understand but a few youtube videos on how to use the machines and software should help clear some of it up.

Yay I can’t wait. This is not my area and an I find it tedious to try to grasp a bunch of shit when I don’t have a lot of foundational knowlege to work from. But Im getting tired of hearing this same fucking disinformation story and not having the heavy artillery to knock it down.

I get what you are saying though about reliance on software that infers a lot of data. I just don’t know how likely it would be for everyone to be relying on unconfirmed shit for a year and a half without trying to replicate the results.

Well you certainly seem to have done your homework eh?

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I have digitally mocked up what I feel to be convincing faked SARS COV 2 strains for upload. I have used a variety of techniques to produce many faked strains and... once enough time has passed so that I can reliably say, "NOBODY IS CHECKING FOR FAKES!!!"

So, stay tuned.

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So you admit it is 1000 times smaller then a human cell and then we are supposed to believe mask stop this thing from spreading?

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so you admit.....

First of all faggot, can I assert that virus exist without being accused of favoring mandatory masks? No guess not. Pointing out viruses are real but cannot be observed by the same technology of a blood cell means Im jewish right?

Second of all, a mask that has a reasonable seal and is rated n95 will filter out most particles on the order of 0.1 to 1 microns. That includes most small aerosolized particles of SPIT and SNOT that people generate when they talk and breath. Which may carry coronavirus. Coronoviruses do not fly out of your nose on wings. They ride on paricles of snot and spit.

This is a physics problem. The size of a droplet of saliva is the relevant size to quantify. What you do with the answer of this physics problem is up to you. Physics doesn’t give a fuck about your politics. Microbiology doesn’t give a fuck about your little partisan crusade. It just is. Please refrain from spazzing out because I stated a non-controversial physical reality.

So you admit...

Im mean fuck, I guess you figure you’re a real covid perry mason.

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Well u are not a jew piece of shit.

No problem you might have some valid points let me re read and think about it.

Accept my apology you seem ok

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The article makes it clear he's not doubting the existence of the virus, he's doubting that it's the cause of the deaths and illnesses being attributed to it. Given how it's being massively overdiagnosed I would say he's correct.

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The problem with the Koch postulates is this

The microorganism must be found in abundance in all organisms suffering from the disease, but should not be found in healthy organisms.

There will be lots of people that have dead coronavirus in their body, trace amounts of coronavirus insufficient to cause infection, or low amounts of virus consistent with asymptomatic infections that are basically impossible to detect.

A PCR will read these instances as positive, which is why it is stupid to equate a positive pcr test as a covid “case”. Hence the massive overdiagnosis.

Viral illness is more like a continuous curve than a binary yes/no state of “are you sick” . Which is why this Koch postulate is difficult to satisfy.

Its basically impossible to observe any virus infecting tissue in vivo. But I have read other studies where they cultured sars cov 2 from pcr positive patients. And obviously hundreds of labs have been sequencing the genomes of Sars Cov 2 variants. They are sequencing something. Something that seems to be in high abundance in people who all die of a similar disease. Something that was never sequences before the last 18 months— at least it wasnn’t in any of the public databases.

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The problem is that they have cast their net waaaay too wide. The "similar disease" in this case is defined by symptoms so broad that it covers thousands of diseases and thousands of potential pathogens. If we applied their metric to the common cold then it would be the deadliest virus in history since:

  • Most people die with at least some symptoms associated with it (eg a runny nose)

  • Most people have it in their system when they die

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No one will claim that prize. It doesn't exist. (pic8.co)

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In looking at terrain theory I'm confused as to how an outbreak of disease could occur. How could an epidemic take place unless everyone's immune system was compromised in the same way at the same time? Doesn't make sense to me.

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Some men experience labor pains with their wives. Empathy is very powerful. Using that logic, people that lack empathy should be less prone to common illnesses whenother factors are adjusted for.

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I think the flu disappeared because they test for covid first and it comes back positive for influenza, so they don't bother with the actual influenza test.

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I will bet you 1.3 million that he won’t get one

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Yep, it only exists in the misused pcr tests.

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Everybody believes it, nobody has ever seen it. It's almost a religious thing.

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If they didn't isolate the virus, where did the gene sequence that was released early on come from?