The Matrix Resurrection trailer just dropped

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Well, there is only one Matrix movie really, the first one because it is a grand tragedy of an intelligent species that birthed a new type of life that enslaved it. All the big questions that need to be asked were answered by the movie and did not leave much room for exploration because that leaves only the small questions ... which were mostly answered in the Animatrix, which turned out to be ABSOLUTELY SUBLIME explanations of what happened and why.

The other big problem they set up for them selves is they gave Neo god powers at the end of the first movie so to make the next ones they couldn't even begin to trash the heart of the story without having to make Neo mortal gain. I once complained that m2 and m3 were terrible movies that showed us just what terrible writers and directors the brothers were but people from the movie suggested that it was the producers messing with the story. After watching this trailer and struggling to see any other Wachowski movies I think the reality here is that they are mediocre writers, mediocre directors ... mediocre is the best that could really be given to them.

This trailer kind of shows more of that mediocrity.

I think the first Matrix was a repeat of the magic in a bottle that we got with Star Wars: a feisty young director with a passion and a vision but little talent at executing the idea became a GREAT movie because the young director provided the vision and infinite energy to the project and experienced and talented people, like the effects teams and Lucas' wife at the time, created the magic and the editing needed to bring that movie to that magical place. I think the first matrix is like that. The young feisty directors brought vision and infinite energy to the project to complete it but the talented actors, stunt co-ordinators and editors brought the movie to that magic pinacle. Oh, and I absolutely have to give the wachowskis credit for stealing every single idea in that movie from like 10 000 different places and ideas and they had juuuuuuust enough talent to remix those ideas into a coherent whole.

Just like Lucas whos only real talent seems to be imagineering + pulling together the large human narratives into a modern context to tell a timeless story, the wachowskis also had read juuuuuuuuuuust enough philosophy and other things to have been able to steal 10 000 ideas from everywhere (especially from the woman that created the idea of the matrix) and created a grand philosophical tale.

I don't know if it is fair to say that m2 and m3 destroyed the matrix story totaly the way disneys star wars destroyed the star wars story (star wars cannot be repaired without removing entire portions of the canon). This looks beautiful but around the edges it shows mediocrity in all kinds of places.

But, in retrospect, I think the follow two ideas are the most interesting ones from both franchises:

1) Star Wars - If you think about it, the rebels were the bad guys and the empire were the good guys. The rebels believed they were fighting for freedom, but like the children playing communist today, their fight was the classic fight of the child trying to rebel against their fathers wisdom. The child ALWAYS wins against the fathers wisdom (all our fathers eventually die), and all children believe they are fighting for a brighter future that their fathers wisdom is hodling back from them, only to find out that you have killed your father and allowed foreign monsters to consume you from which your fathers wisdom was protecting you.

2) Matrix - M1 was a grand tragedy of a naive new intelligent species giving birth to its own children in artificial intelligence and those children enslaving it. The end was left hopeful because all children, all species and all conquerors have weaknesses and therefore there is a possibility of us overthrowing the conquerors of our own creation. M2 and m3 though were really fucked up because THE VERY LAST SCENE of m3 contains ONLY MACHINES speaking to each other about the fate of humanity. Now that is fucked up.

I think exploring the sw darker themes of the empire being good and the grand tragedy of the matrix have potential.

Based on the trailer, I don't see any hints of deep insight nor the devious playful nature that you would need to really explore the possible themes here.

Well, there is only one Matrix movie really, the first one because it is a grand tragedy of an intelligent species that birthed a new type of life that enslaved it. All the big questions that need to be asked were answered by the movie and did not leave much room for exploration because that leaves only the small questions ... which were mostly answered in the Animatrix, which turned out to be ABSOLUTELY SUBLIME explanations of what happened and why. The other big problem they set up for them selves is they gave Neo god powers at the end of the first movie so to make the next ones they couldn't even begin to trash the heart of the story without having to make Neo mortal gain. I once complained that m2 and m3 were terrible movies that showed us just what terrible writers and directors the brothers were but people from the movie suggested that it was the producers messing with the story. After watching this trailer and struggling to see any other Wachowski movies I think the reality here is that they are mediocre writers, mediocre directors ... mediocre is the best that could really be given to them. This trailer kind of shows more of that mediocrity. I think the first Matrix was a repeat of the magic in a bottle that we got with Star Wars: a feisty young director with a passion and a vision but little talent at executing the idea became a GREAT movie because the young director provided the vision and infinite energy to the project and experienced and talented people, like the effects teams and Lucas' wife at the time, created the magic and the editing needed to bring that movie to that magical place. I think the first matrix is like that. The young feisty directors brought vision and infinite energy to the project to complete it but the talented actors, stunt co-ordinators and editors brought the movie to that magic pinacle. Oh, and I absolutely have to give the wachowskis credit for stealing every single idea in that movie from like 10 000 different places and ideas and they had juuuuuuust enough talent to remix those ideas into a coherent whole. Just like Lucas whos only real talent seems to be imagineering + pulling together the large human narratives into a modern context to tell a timeless story, the wachowskis also had read juuuuuuuuuuust enough philosophy and other things to have been able to steal 10 000 ideas from everywhere (especially from the woman that created the idea of the matrix) and created a grand philosophical tale. I don't know if it is fair to say that m2 and m3 destroyed the matrix story totaly the way disneys star wars destroyed the star wars story (star wars cannot be repaired without removing entire portions of the canon). This looks beautiful but around the edges it shows mediocrity in all kinds of places. But, in retrospect, I think the follow two ideas are the most interesting ones from both franchises: 1) Star Wars - If you think about it, the rebels were the bad guys and the empire were the good guys. The rebels believed they were fighting for freedom, but like the children playing communist today, their fight was the classic fight of the child trying to rebel against their fathers wisdom. The child ALWAYS wins against the fathers wisdom (all our fathers eventually die), and all children believe they are fighting for a brighter future that their fathers wisdom is hodling back from them, only to find out that you have killed your father and allowed foreign monsters to consume you from which your fathers wisdom was protecting you. 2) Matrix - M1 was a grand tragedy of a naive new intelligent species giving birth to its own children in artificial intelligence and those children enslaving it. The end was left hopeful because all children, all species and all conquerors have weaknesses and therefore there is a possibility of us overthrowing the conquerors of our own creation. M2 and m3 though were really fucked up because THE VERY LAST SCENE of m3 contains ONLY MACHINES speaking to each other about the fate of humanity. Now that is fucked up. I think exploring the sw darker themes of the empire being good and the grand tragedy of the matrix have potential. Based on the trailer, I don't see any hints of deep insight nor the devious playful nature that you would need to really explore the possible themes here.

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"1) Star Wars - If you think about it, the rebels were the bad guys and the empire were the good guys."

Absolutely goddamm right. "Bringing peace and order to the galaxy." What could be better than that?

And remember how everybody cheered when they destroyed the second Death Star in Return of The Jedi? They were cheering the extinction of the adorable Ewoks too. Because having a 120km diameter quadanium steel hulled sphere crash into your habitat from space is an extinction level event. Bye-bye to all of the cute fuzzy little Ewoks in the universe. All gone now. And the terrorists all cheered while they wiped out an entire species. Bastards.

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And, the Empire only destroyed 1 planet in response to the rebel attacks. The rebels destroyed two death stars.

Chances are, the rebels killed more people than the Empire because a planet can only really be populated on the outside surface of the planet but the death stars housed their entire staff 3 dimensionaly throughout the whole structure and could probably hold way more people than you would think.

Not only that, most of the people working on the death stars were simple contractors. We only saw the military in the movies, but the military was only a small percentage of the population on the death stars as they did none of the construction. The construction crew population on the death stars must have been 10 000 to 1 or something like that given the vast amounts of technology and mass required.

Plus, the empire did not have their entire fleet INSIDE the death star. Their fleets were deployed all over the galaxy and based on the movies, virtually none of the fleet was harmed as a whole.

So, the rebellion really didn't do jack shit to the Empire by destroying the death stars, they just killed a bunch of contractors trying to do get a paycheck to feed their families.

// EDIT: Great point about the ewoks, never thought about that!

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