>Why should anyone care about you, or the next guy? I'm not saying you should. >It's more of a surgical procedure, It's very often done without effective anesthesia. The infants have increased level of cortisol in their blood after being circumcized. Indicating severe pain. http://www.cirp.org/library/pain/gunnar/ But even with anesthesia it's completely fucked up. Female genital mutilation is also a "surgical procedure" in the better parts of india. It's done in hospitals over there. Yet we can somehow all agree in the west that this is highly immoral and reprehensible. The surgical procedure argument is a horrible argument and an euphemism. If a Chinese prison removes your organs without your consent, that too will be a "surgical procedure". Performed by most likely a real surgeon. Still fucking wrong. It's child abuse. And since boys and men love their penis, it's physical Child abuse that has a heavy sexual component to it. In my view the most civil response to this in a civilized society would be jail, for life. And personally, I think that's actually too nice of a response for people who cause irreversible damage and pain to the genitals of children. But I won't tell you what I'd consider an appropriate response. Let's leave it at jail.