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Many years ago, due to abuse, and trying to cope buy abusing alcohol and drugs, I had times, in various settings, where I was exposed to people who fit in the category as described in the article. I asked myself how do people this stupid function and operate in society? Then it dawned on me, they can't and they don't...

[–] 3 pts 2y

They do in clown world.

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thats because iq is a social construct in clown world, and not an actual function of intelligence. It’s a flawed test based on socioeconomic conditions. In clown world.

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One thing I've noticed is in clown world "What is an intelligent person?" doesn't seem to have an answer anymore. It used to be simple. Does the person know a lot, and can solve and get the right answers for a lot of problems? Then yes.

I think there is one part of this that knowledge is easily reachable for literally anyone that can hold it in their head. It'd be like comparing someone who could do multiplication before calculators with almost anyone who can do it after calculators.

Seems that the current tests for intelligence are can you socially outwit others? Can you mentally rise to leadership positions / roles? Real ones, not secretarial ones (ie a scrum leader). Can you get the right conclusions when dealing with our political issues that are meant to deceive people? Then also the hardcore sciences. Can you do them at all if you try? Then I guess being the top in any field ie music, arts, etc.

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They can do somethings... Get dressed, make a list, set a budget, go to the grocery store, calculate the cost of their purchases, cook food, organize their pantry, and make it to the night shift at 7pm on time.

But they won't be able to do all of these simple things.

[–] 5 pts 2y

It bugs me that the 'street arrow' one bugs me.

Obviously I get what answer is intended by the question, but it's worded just poorly enough that one has to make an assumption to get the "right" answer.

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The point is less about choosing yellow or green and more about people who're too stupid to even attempt to model the two possible assumptions.

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did you just call him a "who're"?

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No, I prefer the term "Degenerate entrepreneur'.

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It's no big deal; the ambiguity made me stumble too. It's probably a sign of distaste for ambiguity more than anything.

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There is no right answer for that one. Maybe that’s part of it? Or you state your assumptions to get full credit.

[–] [deleted] 0 pt 2y

sounds like you're at about body temperature IQ

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Good thing I've got a fever.

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That's not saying much

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There is only one best answer. If yellow is not your answer you need to start generalizing parts of the question to justify your answer, which is really you changing the question. The question is in fact written perfectly to indicate what the correct answer is, without literally defeating the purpose.

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The house is at the yellow end of the street. But, declaring that the house is yellow because that portion of the street is yellow is a false inference. It would be the same as saying that the houses at the other end of the block are green because the grass in front of them is green.

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yellow is a false inference

It is implied by the question. If the color of the house can not be inferred then it is a trick question.

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...from yellow to green following the direction of the arrow.

Y >-------> G

Seems straight forward, no?

[–] 1 pt 2y

What if your arrow points to the right but you imagine the entrance to the neighborhood on the right?

But the point of the question is not to score a point if someone answers yellow and not if they answer green. The point is that if you can come to an answer at all, you pass. Okay maybe not if you answer purple, but you get the idea.

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Fair,

When I read one way street my mind immediately associates the arrow going the same direction as traffic rules...

It doesn't say to so that, so I guess I couls have sone better on the test.

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Only if you assume the house is the same colour as the arrow on the street.

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What makes you think the arrow doesn’t point left to right, and the entrance of the neighborhood is on the right? It just says that there is a color gradient on the arrow, and the house numbers increase from the entrance. how the two correlate requires assumptions.

[–] 4 pts 2y

It's all correct.

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Third level recursion is impossible for sub-average people? This is just painful to consider. You cant even write fiction without second level recursion (e.g. Snape telling a story about Harry's father being mean is second level recursion). You cant flesh out a world properly without third level recursion (e.g. Snape telling a story wherein he read a novel aloud).

Do these retards never get past the story complexity of See Spot Run because their brains are non-functional?

Edit: Does anyone have sources for this? I'd love to read the research.

[–] 4 pts 2y

I don't know about availability but I'd expect it's not commonly available and or easily accessible on the internet because IQ discussions and associated implications (especially racial weights) are forbidden. Finding meaningful implications of IQ and especially cultural/racial IQ is down right impossible except on "dark" places of the internet like the chans.

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"The Bell Curve" is a great book on the subject.

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I had that book when it was new and now I can't find it anymore

[–] 1 pt 2y

You can order it on Amazon.

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Below average people can read a story with a moderate level of recursion. The levels are introduced gradually. In your example, if Snape is a character that the reader is familiar with, the reader should be able to imagine Snape talking about a story. OP's example involves the idiot having to create a story that suddenly gets recursive in a complicated way.

Overall, OP's findings are correct, but biased towards the population that he was studying (black criminals). White non-criminals of similarly low intelligence would definitely perform better on his first subject (conditional hypotheticals) and his fourth (empathy).

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Empathy's a special case. The others just require a high enough IQ. Empathy can only develop in young children (circa age 5 or younger) and requires a complex collection of multiple areas of the brain. After that it cant be developed no matter how high someone's IQ. That's where sociopaths and psychopaths come from - people who never developed empathy by the age cutoff.

Some very high IQ sociopaths and psychopaths can superficially imitate empathy as an abstract concept, but even then they still cant develop it. At best it's like an English speaking actor trying to feign a Chinese accent. Even if they learned fluent Mandarin at the age of 50, their Chinese accent will be an abstract imitation and never stand up to more than cursory scrutiny.

This is a huge issue in the black community where pervasive child abuse and single parenting kneecaps the ability of children to develop empathy. Low IQ is one challenge. e.g. I have a friend whose IQ is 80 at best. He's a line cook who will perpetually struggle to pay bills on time and will never rise out of poverty due to a sheer lack of intelligence. However, he did develop empathy as a child so he's not dangerous to anyone. Just dumb as a box of rocks.

Lack of empathy combined with low IQ is a major problem because that's where you get common criminals who mug you in an alleyway or decide the knockout game is hilarious. When you combine low IQ, not teaching children empathy, and beating the hell out of children, you pretty much guarantee yourself an incurable lifelong felon.

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The second exercise could be done indefinitely as long as you diagram it. I can see where keeping track of it in your head would get confusing.

Anyways this is really interesting. It is good to know what you are dealing with and helps me understand how some people can be so fucking stupid.

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In AI, when teaching about planning, they use the example that a dung beetle will make a plan to roll a ball of shit all the way back to their nest. However if the shit ever falls out of their reach, they won't recalculate their plan. They'll just just keep rolling an empty ball of shit as if it was still there.

They use the example of the level of intelligence of a designed system if it can handle major changes mid plan execution for if they can recalculate to find that the plan won't follow through as originally planned anymore, and redo the plan on the spot.

I CAN NOT COUNT the amount of people I know and have interacted with who can / will make a plan of any kind or life size, will start executing it but WILL NOT change course or the plan if a major or even slight event changes that would make it obvious that the original plan WILL NOT work or play out anymore. Every time I see this I'm like BRUH / DUDE / FAMILY MEMBER. YOU ARE LITERALLY AS DUMB AS A DUNG BEETLE! I don't care what your excuse is! If you can't recalculate and adjust your plan mid execution when a plan changing event happens YOU. ARE. AS. DUMB. AS A DUNG BEETLE!

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Give examples

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Not the person you asked, but I'll provide one.

Friend: "I have $X and want to buy a new car." Friend goes to a car dealer, realizes all new cars cost MUCH more than $X, and buys a new car anyway .

Friend a month later: "The interest, taxes, and payments are so expensive. I can barely pay my bills now!"

This friend is going to be car-poor for the next 5ish years due to this inability to stop and recalculate.

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Let me guess, it was a new car, he added on features, took the extra insurance, and took the dealership rate?

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Here's an example. I haven't been interacting with a lot of people the past few years so took awhile to think of one.

Know some people who made a plan to buy a to be rental property and live in it until it's paid off. They spent months searching for one in a very specific area but never found one that met the criteria. The one said to back out, we've found out mid plan that it won't work. The other went through and bought a property anyways. Now they're fucked.

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Sounds about right. People do some stupid fucking stuff.

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Tbh, that sounds a lot like q-tards ...

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It is also typical of aspi's. They can state fact but get tripped up on hypotheticals, and usually get angry with the person who made them think of something they can't comprehend. Most can't understand black and white movies either, they can't translate shades of grey to make out colors. Therefore instead of watching the movie, they will get stuck on a trivial item like a stop sign in the picture is grey, not red, and will spend the entire movie trying to work out why it's not red.

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After reading this quite awhile ago I actually started noticing similar things in people I know.

For example -

I know someone who simply CAN NOT grasp that if they let their kids make a mess, that it's actually THEM making the mess. They can't grasp that they're LETTING the kids make the mess and therefore really making it themselves by proxy.

Another is I've noticed people who simply can not understand the idea of scale. Ie without being told specifically for specific items to change their behavior on, they will buy single packages at an increased price instead of buying in bulk for an overall lower price. They can correct themselves for single item types if told, but they can not recognize the bigger overall pattern.

Also noticed people who I know who can not, if not at all, stop and think how everyday things they are doing will affect others and what others will think about it. They simply just don't or seem to don't ever consider how what they do affects others around them. Ie they'll make or change plans but won't tell other people who it'll affect.

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I know someone who simply CAN NOT grasp that if they let their kids make a mess, that it's actually THEM making the mess. They can't grasp that they're LETTING the kids make the mess and therefore really making it themselves by proxy

I know the type. "i gave my child candy to get them to stop screaming". Oooook retard, if only you realized you just trained your child that screaming is rewarded

Another is I've noticed people who simply can not understand the idea of scale.

I know the type. "This item is only $15, I'll put it on my credit card and pay 30% interest on it. It's not that much!"

Sure, $4.50 of interest is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. BUT the 30% interest on the $15,000 credit card debt you already racked up through similar onesy-twosey purchases is approaching a mortgage payment every month. So many people do this.

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I appreciate the noting of the "little simulator", though I'm disappointed that there was only a brief mention of it in this and it didn't expand on degrees of simulation development, integration and reliance upon it to function among subjects.

I have not encountered this ability brought up in any discussions I've seen that relate to this topic. Perhaps I've not been reading the proper papers and discussions. All that I've spoken with about it and who I've tried to describe it to are not able to comprehend it at all - they merely dismiss the entire concept outright as just being what they call "daydreaming". Perhaps low-level simulation or basic imagination usage can be thought of as daydreaming.

They can't grasp the complete sensory integration into the simulation to where you appear to "shut off" for one or maybe a few seconds while simulating, or understand the 'distant glassy-eyed stare' while focus is internalized. They make statements that children or people are "in their own world" or "marching to a different drummer" or whatever they come up with to explain away their high IQ and exceptional ability to delve deeply or fully into thought.

They cannot 'imagine' the degree to which the simulation can be developed to where it can be core to every thought, every interaction or every experience that can conceivably be had where every potential interaction or experience is preceded with hundreds and even thousands of potential scenarios being simulated for every conceivable response that someone might have to something that is said or done, or how others might interact with each other and how their interactions cascade with each development being simulated ahead of time. This can be why many can seem 'fake' or not genuine with their emotions or actions at times. They've already experienced the exact situation previously and fully in their simulation, so it kind of has to be recalled and all of the simulations sorted through to designate the simulation that had the proper response to make that would be best for the situation and then "re-enact" it from the simulation, which can also be accompanied by that distant look as that specific simulation is being re-run in the mind parallel to it being enacted - which is another level of simulating.

Even recalling memories can be fully simulated with full spatial and sensory insertion from any viewpoint to where memories are more accurately recalled and more 'real' than when it actually happened. Let alone recalling of the memory, but from another participant's perspective, or to modify the memory as a simulation within the simulation and inserting a participant or additional variable that wasn't present in reality to simulate how the event could have resulted differently or how it might have affected other people if it were them that experienced the situation.

With enough datapoints any event, situation, location or even any individual can be accurately simulated or damn near enough to where it might as well have been an actual experience.

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[–] 2 pts 2y (edited 2y)

JYup , niggers. They live in the eternal right now , and cannot reflect upon anything

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What's great about this greentext is it is mixture of truth and made up bullshit.

The temporal changes thing is real, however. That's a legit thing you can use to figure out, in general, if someone is sub-90 IQ. Try the breakfast/lunch question on people you know who are shortsighted and seem to be unable to plan very well. It's legit. It's hilarious to watch them struggle. "How would your day be different if you ate oatmeal instead of eggs for breakfast?" Or, "If you skipped your lunch, what would you have done differently in your day?" This is VERY fun. It works.

Most of that other stuff? It's nonsense. It's no legit IQ stuff. Except for the recursion thing...

For example, there are IQ70 people who seem to be able to handle math and planning just fine but appear to lack empathy. Not because they are psychopaths, they cannot simulate another person's feelings in their mind. It's just "broken." They are too stupid to be able to do that. It's like some parts of their brain are intelligent and others are not. Because intelligence is multifaceted. It's not all this or that like the greentest author makes it seem.

In other situations, mentally handicap people can have normal or even above average emotional intelligence. But be very poor with classic IQ test puzzles or planning. Because those are sometimes "separate" things in brain processing for people. Sure, intelligent people can compensate for their low EQs by simply being smarter about it (memorizing patterns of behavior, reactions, expressions, and then understanding how those translate to emotions and reading those emotions as opposed to innately or intuitively knowing those things like a person with a high EQ would know).

Hope that helps.

What would really get the "goat" of that green text author is knowing many of those supposedly low-IQ criminals fully understanding their actions but still not caring. This is MOST of them. Not 50% like he implied. MOST criminals fully understand that if they do something bad, it will harm someone. They fully understand that their actions hurt others. But they don't give a shit! "I wanna get mines." That's the stupid shit they say. It's selfishness. It's not low-IQ. I also got to work with inmates. Most are normal everyday people that just got caught doing something the rest of us do or they made a stupid mistake such as getting into 1 too many drunken fights.

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