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**Once again, it's time for the FNGT!** If you don't know how this works, [click this link](https://fngt.gq/index.php?page=intro). That link will take you to another site to give you some additional information and tell you about some of our off-site features. That's also the site where we will host the weekly guitar threads, should Poal go down. **NOTE:** That site is by invitation only. If you want an invite, and you're a regular participant, then just ask Crazy, or myself. If you do know what's going on, you probably don't need to click that link - but you may want to, to make sure you know of the other features, such as the archive or a separate forum that's invite only. Remember, we are guests here on Poal. Let's act like it. If you're interested in supporting Poal, then [you can donate](https://poal.co/donate).

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It bore the Les Paul name until 1963, sometimes into late 1963 depending on when Gibson got rid of their on-hand stock.

Hell, it still carries the Les Paul variants - Junior, Standard, Special, Custom...

So, the guitar in question - specifically a 1961 Special - is indeed a Les Paul. You could argue that it was no longer a Les Paul after they took his name off of them. But, this is an example from 61 - so there's no debate.

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LoL I am not arguing with you! It definitely started as a Les Paul model

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That was a generic you, not you specifically.

I'm trying to buy one on a forum and am in a 3 way conversation with the seller, someone who doesn't need to be there, and myself.

I'm currently waiting for them to get a black light and snap some pics of the headstock for me.

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what is a black light going to tell you

and my battery should have enough charge to turn the engine over now, and I should have fuel spewing from the out hose off of the fuel pump when I turn the engine over, wouldn't you think?