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I noticed last night my ram had defaulted back to 1333mhz and a 15 latency. I set them back to 1600mhz and a 9 latency and saw an immediate improvement.

I’m running a 2TB 7200rpm hard drive and want to upgrade to an ssd I’m currently getting 96 read and write is 83.

The ssd I’m looking at is:

The 860 EVO performs at sequential read speeds up to 550 MB/s* with Intelligent TurboWrite technology, and sequential write speeds up to 520 MB/s. The TurboWrite buffer size* is upgraded from 12 GB to 78 GB.

Would this make a difference in game play?

I noticed last night my ram had defaulted back to 1333mhz and a 15 latency. I set them back to 1600mhz and a 9 latency and saw an immediate improvement. I’m running a 2TB 7200rpm hard drive and want to upgrade to an ssd I’m currently getting 96 read and write is 83. The ssd I’m looking at is: The 860 EVO performs at sequential read speeds up to 550 MB/s* with Intelligent TurboWrite technology, and sequential write speeds up to 520 MB/s. The TurboWrite buffer size* is upgraded from 12 GB to 78 GB. Would this make a difference in game play?

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On a windows machine an ssd is a must. Without it the OS runs slow as shit regardless of your machine's specs. Not sure if it makes a huge difference with gaming except for load times.

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3 minutes from pushing the power button until windows fully loads, this should definitely speed that up.

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It will. I installed my old 840 Pro SSD into my parents' 9+ years old laptop, and it reduced boot times of windows from 3+ minutes to roughly 25-30 seconds. Applications start up way quicker too.

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Good to know, I’m at 6 going on 7 now, just waiting for AMD to release a new graphics card and parts to be back in stock at reasonable prices.

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I run the OS and keep frequently used applications on my SSD. I believe there are guides out there with what DRAM can do for an SSD, but I haven't seen a difference in gaming performance. I use a 4tb HDD for storage.

Get something cheap to boot the OS with and set the drive partition to 90% of the SSDs total capacity as a countermeasure since the drives life drastically decreases after it gets 90% occupied with data. Try to keep at least 10% of the drive unutilized.

There are also a certain number of write cycles that are on these drives, so be mindful about how much data you write through it. Mechanical platters are much easier to recover data from than fizzled out flash memory cells. Since you're getting an EVO 860, it shouldn't be shitty QLC memory.

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Fuck that drive. It came this morning and after twelve hours I’m sending it back. I’ll wait for an am5 system in 2022.

I’d get to desktop, got the drivers and everything installed then went to launch steam and froze. Rebooted then would freeze on the desktop with the spinning mouse circle.

Then it would default my bios and say a setting in the bios was wrong, looked couldn’t see anything at all, updated my bios. Ran Samsung magician, no errors and latest firmware. Changed power cables, new Sata cables and tried different Sata ports etc.

I did three complete formats and reinstalls and I even tried to open the browser before installing anything and it would freeze. Then I tried it in a new PC I got for my girlfriend a few months ago and had the same problem.

So it’s a bad drive more then likely, I’m done. It’s going back.

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Wow... I've never seen behavior like that from an SSD and I've worked on them for years. My condolences. How did you transfer your data to the drive? Or did you start from scratch? I'm sure it's under warranty, so you have that much to your credit.

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I’ve been building computers for 20 years and haven’t had this much problems with replacing a part or a build ever.

Didn’t format the first time, did the second and third. I did a fresh windows install 3 times then did cloning with the Samsung program and had the same problem.

Even after updating the bios.

Luckily I got it from amazon so I have 30 days but they’ve extended to January 31st for Christmas. It will be going back Monday though.

My first ssd install, my girlfriends came with one. I even watched videos to see if I was doing something wrong and everyone else was doing exactly what I was and it just worked. After 12 hours I had enough and gave up.

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No, not really.. an SSD will help significantly reduce load times but generally not increase in game performance, I've seen some speculation that SSD would increase performance of some open world games that contain no loading screens, but nothing definitive.

Regardless of all that however, an SSD is worth the money (more so if you can get a good deal) reducing immersion breaking loading times is worth it for any gamer.

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Yeah load times take awhile and then joking a server. This should definitely help with that.

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I play one of those so it may help in that game.

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Mechanical for long term storage, SSD for everyday use.

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I plan on keeping the old one for movies and music.

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Mostly it will improve your load-times and reduce stuttering in open-world games. It will make little to no difference to actual game framerate / performance...

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Thanks, anything speed up helps and I do play one open world game.

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The SSD would make it feel significantly faster. While all that will actually be faster is reading and writing from the storage. You will notice that. Your OS (Windows I assume) will load way faster and use the SSD as page file in the instances where your memory doesnt fill its needs. Which again would make it feel way faster.

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What would you suggest to use as a page file size?

And does the below mean it tries to store the entire program in the turbo buffer for even faster read/write times?

The TurboWrite buffer size* is upgraded from 12 GB to 78 GB.

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Buffer space usage is typically used from a storage perspective as a space to store the most frequently accessed files so they are resident in the buffer rather than making a second lookup to the file allocation tables.

So what you would be storing there would be the most used files from whatever you are reading and writing most often.

Long productive day of coding? That entire code base that gets called every time you change something or compile is going to be in there if it fits.

Gaming.. its going to be the texture packs or DLLs most used to make that game work.

Page size -- From old school windows days the recommendation was twice the system ram. this becomes a file written to disk that the OS can access specifically for situations where more ram was needed and wasn't available.

I would recommend sticking with that. But I am not a modern windows expert and gave up windows early into Win 7.

Edit.. I a word

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I had to update to windows ten from seven since some programs stopped working. Is page file the same as vram? And can vram be set manually also?

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Every disk related operations (read/write) will go from a couple of ms to virtually zero, which cumulatively (since it's never just one read/write) can represent a bunch of seconds

So yeah it's going to load faster, cached assets come to mind also

Also, if you use virtual memory to compensate lack of ram, then yeah shit's going to speed up also

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Virtual_memory.svg/800px-Virtual_memory.svg.png

But I believe it's only at load point, but don't take my words for it, investigate the underlying mechanism of your game/game engine to find out

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I’ll test that out to see if it improves overall gameplay or load times.

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You have a particular game in mind?

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I posted a thread yesterday, something WWII but historically accurate I’m thinking of red orchestra 2 possibly after reading the comments.

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What a coincidence, I just got myself an 860 Evo during the cyber Monday sales. I've only used it for a bit as it's my secondary hard drive for gaming, but so far it's been pretty solid. And yes, it would be quite an improvement, especially in newer titles. Judging by the RAM speeds I take it your PC is somewhat on the older side, but even then an SSD will breathe new life into your machine. I think in terms of both $/GB and for performance, your best bet is the 1TB one (which is what I bought). It'll likely last you forever.

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Yeah 2014ish.

A amd FX-8350 eight core black edition at 4.0Ghz and and xfx r9 290x. I can still play, resetting the ram to the proper speeds last night noticeably helped that’s why I started looking at SSD’s

Was it easy to install and do you notice a difference when playing games?

I deleted all my games I no longer play and programs I don’t use and I’m at 1.2TB so I have to go with the 2GB model which is still a good price if I get an FPS boost.

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The CPU is sadly on the aging side as it wasn't AMD's best work, but the GPU on the other hand is still pretty solid, especially if you undervolt it. And yes, games have been taking advantage of RAM speeds so it's no surprise that you're seeing improvements. I'd advise you to upgrade to a whole new system, but with how availability and pricing of newer CPUs and GPUs are absolutely abysmal you're really better off waiting until 2021.

As for games on SSD, it depends on what you're playing really. If you're playing games from early 2000's or even older you won't notice a difference, but for titles newer than that, and especially those that have a history of longer load times, you'll see a big difference, especially in load times. Also certain games (I think usually open world ones) that are constantly streaming data in and out of the storage will see performance improvements. You'll get much less hitching and stuttering. I've been using SSDs for gaming most of the time for quite a while now, so the only personal example I can give you is DOOM 2016. When I played that on an HDD the load times would be long. Almost a minute to get to the main menu at the start, then another minute to load a level. And it would be very stuttery in the main menu because the game was still loading all the necessary assets in the background. Sometimes textures would take a while to load in too because of the way the game's engine handles textures (thanks John Carmack). Eventually everything loads in and performance is smooth. On an SSD though, loading is in seconds (maybe about 7 seconds for the main menu, then about 10-15 seconds for a level) and textures stream in almost instantly, with no performance issues. Hope this gives you an idea.

And goddamn man, how are you at 1.2 TB of stuff even after doing clean-up? Maybe you can make use of that existing 2TB storage of yours to store things you don't use as often so that you can get a 1TB SSD instead of a 2TB one.

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Games on steam and a few others I play all the time take up most of the space and a few programs. It’s everything I use at least weekly depending on who I play with. Everything else was deleted.

Yeah it’s aging I can play Vermintide on low but games from a year or two ago on high and some on ultra, I built the same machine for my nephew and he claims every game runs at less then 10fps, he wanted to build a new one and I was going to take his parts and crossfire the gpus and add his ram but he got a job and doesn’t have time for a new build and uses his old one for work stuff.

That’s great on load times, I also just got a lan cable ran to my machine instead of Using Wi-Fi with 1Gig service. I know get 980 up and down instead of 50-60mbps(that used to make me mad lol).

Yeah I was going to build a new AMD machine in May with part of my bonus, I usually try to keep it under 2,000 and then a new monitor. I was going to go with the 16 core but then was tempted to splurge on the 32 core but by the time I got around to it everything was either out of stock from people using their stimulus and unemployment and shipping delays from overseas or had been bought up and resellers were charging two to three times the price.

All that was left was low end stuff and it was marked up higher then what a high end part would be priced. I also want to wait now for AMD to release a new GPU.

The only place I could find what I was looking for was Alienware and it was 4500-5500(Can’t recall), but that’s why I build my own. Maybe 2021 will be a better year for inventory and new releases.