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[–] 7 pts

Let me explain how stupid this vaccine is. Even if it was totally safe and hadn’t already killed 50 or 100 thousand people, this roll-out is the stupidest move in epidemiological history.

If you had a dangerous strain of antibiotic resistant flesh eating bacteria going around and you only knew of one anitbiotic that was left which still had an effect on it, would you:

A. Use it that antibiotic sparingly only on cases where it was clear you need to use it

B. Put everyone on the planet on that course of antibiotic regardless of whether they needed the medicine, all at slightly different times.

The correct answer is A. because B. is the course of action that will lead to the bacteria evolving a reisstance to the last effective antibiotic.

But choice B is comparable to what they are doing with the covid vaccine. They are causing a couple billion people to become narrowly immune to a single protein on this virus and it is a protein that belonged to a strain that went extinct a year ago. The virus is out evolving the vaccine because all it has to do is mutate a single protein. It would have been far smarter to allow young and middle aged people to acqquire natural immunity from a natural infection to the entire virus.

Even if it were safe, no one should have got the vax but the most vulnerable 5 or 10 %. Because they have given it to too many people, it will soon be useless. All these young people are dying for no reason. The are undermining the effectivenes of the vaccine for those which might actually benefit from it.

Of course it goes without saying its not safe. Teenagers are dying of myocarditis now I hear.

[–] 1 pt

What the hell, Why is your post grey?

[–] 4 pts

Im nuked. Im in the penalty box. The admin does this to people all the time. I have no idea why. Tge real reason is because I have criticized him on multiple occassions. He has accused me of downvoting but I haven’t made a downvote in 2 months. He’s a bully and he picks on people. He’s a liar.

I don’t do anything unusual with my account that would warrant being shadow banned. Neither do most of the people who get nuked. has left and deleted her account I believe because he nuked her as well. He’s bullied some very nice people who have left before this. If you like my comment upvote it. Im 14 pts from “normal status”

[–] [deleted] 1 pt (edited )

Apparently they haven't figured this out yet. Which is very unfortunate.

You should apply for a job in making decisions about health. Or at least sent some important people an e-mail, explaining them your indepth knowledge. I know the us wants to kill it's own population and thus may not be worth your precious time, but they also do it in countries that care for their citizens like japan. Not certain if russia could be considered such.

The world desperately needs your skills right now and you may save millions of lives.

[–] 0 pt (edited )

Greying out effort posts is really gay. I might be a niggerfaggot from voat, but at least i'm not a homo.

Nvm, u/BurnInHelena is a derailing, pilpuling gigafaggot. I was a fool for thinking it's a user going against the grain in good faith.

[–] 2 pts

muh free speech but also jews have some great schemes for suppressing people, I think Ill borrow a page.

This is the mentally I see from this person. There are a couple of ass gobblers that follow him around and defend this bull shit too.

[–] 3 pts

The 90-95% touted in the mainstream is the RELATIVE %

All real science and effectiveness is measured in ABSOLUTE %

The absolute measure of protection that the vaccine gives is closer to 0.87%

This is the basic standard for most things scientific.

Now all this science and pharma shit is shit anyways but even in their own bloody medical texts if they were honest they would show that this whole vacc is BS.

[–] 0 pt

Last time i recieved a source for the 95% number, it was from the 14 day study that got big pharma emergency approval. And it was based on DIAGNOSIS. Not hospitalization, not death, not transmission.

And, in the extended study (28 days), the differences between the two groups (vaccine and control) all but disappeared.

Keep in mind that diagnosis was positive pcr test + symptom of infection, which doesn't tell you much of anything.

[–] 0 pt

"the absolute risk reduction (ARR), which is the difference between attack rates with and without a vaccine, considers the whole population. ARRs tend to be ignored because they give a much less impressive effect size than RRRs: 1·3% for the AstraZeneca–Oxford, 1·2% for the Moderna–NIH, 1·2% for the J&J, 0·93% for the Gamaleya, and 0·84% for the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccines."

[–] 1 pt

Actually, your immune system is over 99.97 effective.

[–] 0 pt

derrrrr

Can we stop this? Ive been listening to the same stupidity for a year. If you are under 50 you have almost no chance of dying but by the age of 70 or 80 the probability of death or at least severe illness is quite high. Unacceptibly high.

Democrats are retarded and we seem determined to be retarded in the 180 degree opposite direction. Which is really not so great. It doesn’t matter what the overall fatality rate is, everybody knows its low for young people.

In the old days whites used to wear black for a year when an old person died. Now I have to hear how its good that we’re getting rid of elderly whites with covid and these people are supposedly conservative.

“Your immune system” is totally not up to the task if you are over 60. Its not. This is not the fucking flu.

[–] 2 pts

Even at 70 it's 95% survival rate.

Nothingburger.

[–] 0 pt

1% is a high mortality rate, 5% is incredibly high.

[–] 1 pt

Yet "the flu" kills quite a lot of elderly people, in similar proportions to this so-called virus.

[–] 3 pts

The floo was cured last year. Apparently pneumonia was too. Miracles!

[–] 0 pt

No actually. The flu kills a much smaller number of people, typically 10,000 to 15,000 per year. These are totally unnecessary deaths for the most part because flu is very treatable. But they cant sell vaccines that way. But it seems like covid is anywhere from 10 to 50 times more lethal. And it seems to be killing a younger subset of elderly as well.

Is it a so-called virus? What is it really. Is it to disreputable to be grouped with other viruses? Is it a 5G phenomenon? What are you getting at there?

B..but it's extra protection.

You mean like a mask?

[–] [deleted] 0 pt (edited )

These are measuring two different things, aren't they?

Your immune system has a 99% chance of preventing you from dying. And this 99% number includes people who were hospitalized, in which case it's not just your immune system that protects you.

The vaccine has a 94% chance of you not even getting ill or suffering any long-term effects besides death. As a bunch of people who survived covid-19 report shortness of breath, fatigue and muscle pain 6 months after they contracted it.

[–] -1 pt (edited )

This is stupid. There's a lot of data showing that Pfizer provides ~75% protection against covid infection. Vaccines work and greatly reduce transmission of the virus. We know for certain that covid leads to the loss in grey matter

https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/health/study-finds-loss-in-grey-matter-after-coronavirus-infection/article34936719.ece

Getting the vaccine is better than getting infected by the virus.

[–] 2 pts

That's a gay lie.

The only data that favored Pfizer in their own trials was chance of diagnosis. Which was positive test + any symptom of infection. It didn't reduce transmission, it didn't reduce your chance of landing in the hospital, and it didn't reduce chance of death.

This one positive aspect was gone when the study was extended from 14 days to 28 days.

[–] 0 pt

Pull your head away from msm and get some facts. I would suggest start with Front Line Doctors.

[–] -2 pt

Are you really that dumb? Please tell me you’re not really that dumb?

[–] 0 pt

Don't be a cvnt. Explain why you make a statement. Only pedo redditors and cvnts make bold statements without backing it up with evidence

[–] 0 pt

It’s a further 94% on top of the 99%

So risk of death for immune system is 1 in 100 and for immune system + vax is 1 in 10000

[–] 0 pt

While you are correct I think the extent of initial reaction was over the top