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They are if you go back far enough. Arranged marriage is a spectrum where the arranged part is the "let's all do this peacefully" and the opposite end of that is "let's go kill the other tribe and get all their women".
The romans documented that german tribes had a ritualized yearly war party system where on a yearly basis they would gather up allies in a systematic way and go and kill other tribes.
The part of our mating ritual that puts 'i gotta find my romantic soulmate' on a pedestal is really a modern invention. It has it's place as a component of our mating ritual but it is highly corrosive in the idealized form that it takes in western society.
That isn't to say that our women were chattle or anything of that sort. They were also incredibly powerful throughout ancient history and men were, more often than not, physical manifestations of female power.
What I am saying is that it has always been far more complicated than how relationships are portrayed in western civilization currently. What we think of relationship and marriage in the west is a kind of fairy tale for adults. it's overly simplified and leads to a whole scurge of problems that we don't talk about or deal with.
It is also to say that, if I am honest, arranged marriages have a bunch of positives that most people don't appreciate until you have seen this first hand: an arranged marriage starts the relationship off as a utilitarian union that "can" result in true love through an arbitration of respect and submission to the realities of a relationship between the parties.
I have seen this work successfully in east indian cultures now like a half dozen times. The young couples are all still together at least a dozen years later and all seem happy, adjusted and have kids, large extended families and most of them even have great jobs and homes.
It's simple and complicated at the same time. More needs to be written and explored here.
You’re wrong. Except for the aristocracy northern europe almost exclusively practiced self select marriage and late age marriage for wahmens. Arranged marriages are for asians. Maybe elites to cement poliical and economic alliances. Its just not true, this narrative that some men push here that arranged marriage and early marriage are normal for europeans. They aren’t.
Im not a fucking bengali and I dont care how they do shit. The church allowed marriages without parental consent. Thats because it was normal for whites to choose for themselves.
Parents and fathers arrange marriages based on what is good for them. Ie money. But they dont have to fuck the guy. What is the result? Indians are horrifically inbred. Oh you dont think thats a feature of arranged marriages eh? Northern Europeans have postponed marriage to a late age and allowed individuals to choose for themselves. Since pre-christian times.
I accept the dissenting perspective.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
// EDIT: I just wanted to add HOW MUCH I share your disgust of shitskins. I am truly disgusted by the thought of them. I wrote the previous as a generalization of behaviour and ritual practices.
You know I dont really hate south asians. I guess I hate the muslims ones. I have a more neutral attitude of hindus. I dont really want them living here. But I think there are worse societies. I just think for many reasons we should not model our society after them. I have known some people in arranged marriages. A few hindus and an arab person. The arab wife was pitiful. But muzzies have a whole set of other problems.
I think now that women were better off when considered property. It resulted in keeping themselves valuable and having others around them like a father or brothers that also wanted to keep them valuable. Now most women despise the idea of being property not only because of false assumptions, but because they wouldn't be worth much of anything.
>It's simple and complicated at the same time. More needs to be written and explored here.
You are absolutely correct. Early Germany had its culture summarized by Tacitus, and there's a lot of information about how Whites used to marry. (sourcebooks.fordham.edu) I think it's better to consider White history for White traditions, although you do bring up interesting points with East Indian cultures.
Oh! There is the link to Tacitus. I could not find my original, appreciate that.
Happy to hear more thoughts about where I am wrong.
You had a lot of great points. They were all good. I will expand on a few of them.
>The part of our mating ritual that puts 'i gotta find my romantic soulmate' on a pedestal is really a modern invention. It has it's place as a component of our mating ritual but it is highly corrosive in the idealized form that it takes in western society.
The earliest Western mention of the "omg soulmate" meme I know of is Pyramus and Thisbe. Ovid knew how reckless it was and the story ends in the suicide of both of them. We should have remembered our culture.
>That isn't to say that our women were chattle or anything of that sort. They were also incredibly powerful throughout ancient history and men were, more often than not, physical manifestations of female power.
Whites seem to forget the importance of the support of women. In addition to household tasks, before the men marched off to battle, Germanic women would flash their tits and tell their men to fucking win, because they knew a loss would be disaster for them. Women, put in their place, are invaluable for men. Being put in their place is invaluable for women.
You sound like a honey badger.
marriage in the west is a kind of fairy tale for adults
It's a fairy tale for burnt out feminist degens living in denial that they can never have real love after destroying their pairbonding capacity.
I have seen this work successfully in east indian cultures now like a half dozen times.
You've traveled to east india?
There are large asian communities everywhere.
So it was a horror story then, about nasty schiffskin savages who can't "poo in the loo" using arranged marriages to [in]breed like rats in Western societies?
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