>Masculinity is self reliant. Agreed. >Self reliant people think for themselves out of necessity. Also agreed. >but feminine men and women are far more likely to think this way Also agreed, but it seems most people think this way. Most western men are quite feminized, and sound like their fellow females. "Daddy government, please take care of my health! Daddy government, please take care of my student loans! Daddy government, please give me food and money! Daddy government, please take care of meeeeee!"