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Had a disagreement with my wife over Trumps “controversial” statement regarding giving drug dealers the death penalty.

She brings up things like kids that sold marijuana don’t deserve said death penalty.

I believe there should be a gradation, but a serious threat of punishment should be there in order to discourage kids from getting into the business in the first place. Thing is, selling drugs is almost like a drug of its own, since easy money gained from preying on people’s weaknesses is hard to turn away, especially once some connections are made.

I personally believe that we should also include medical professionals into the conversation as well. How many people died from the opioid crisis? How many people were held accountable for that? Why are we focusing just on the “street” drug dealers and ignoring the corporate ones?

Nowadays, so many doctors are inept and just functionally act as pill pushers rather than actual doctors. How much suffering and death could be linked to this? Instead of telling people to get their health, diet, lifestyle, or choices in control, they just provide you with an “easy button” with side effects.

Had a disagreement with my wife over Trumps “controversial” statement regarding giving drug dealers the death penalty. She brings up things like kids that sold marijuana don’t deserve said death penalty. I believe there should be a gradation, but a serious threat of punishment should be there in order to discourage kids from getting into the business in the first place. Thing is, selling drugs is almost like a drug of its own, since easy money gained from preying on people’s weaknesses is hard to turn away, especially once some connections are made. I personally believe that we should also include medical professionals into the conversation as well. How many people died from the opioid crisis? How many people were held accountable for that? Why are we focusing just on the “street” drug dealers and ignoring the corporate ones? Nowadays, so many doctors are inept and just functionally act as pill pushers rather than actual doctors. How much suffering and death could be linked to this? Instead of telling people to get their health, diet, lifestyle, or choices in control, they just provide you with an “easy button” with side effects.

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[–] [Sticky] • 7 pts

I say let everything be legal , but if you hurt someone else while fucked up, major penalties including death.

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What if a drug dealer laces the weed he’s selling fentanyl and kills the customer?

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1) Why would he waste money doing that?

2) he misrepresented what was being sold causing death, so he'd get nailed.

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No victim no crime

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Yep. Legalize prostitution too. Unless the fucker kills the bitch, which is a separate crime, there is no victim except some sperm that doesn't get an egg.

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Not sure if that’s sarcasm but yes, two adults agreeing to have sex with each other on any terms is not something the government should have a say in

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Caffeine is a drug. Every Batista gets the rope

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I’ll agree that every barista should get the rope. Not because caffeine is a drug, but because they’re fucking gay.

[–] [deleted] • 2 pts

And man buns

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Burn man buns... This is going to be my new poem for theodore

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Don't be pedantic.

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Acknowledging that the nanny government has the authority to arbitrarily decide what chemicals you’re allowed to purchase isn’t pedantic

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arbitrarily

Correct.

decide

They should be able to. For example (((weed))) is in no way "just a natural plant". That claim is like saying you ould be fine ingesting ricin, arcenic, lava etc.

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First, reschedule and classifying certain drugs, marijuana ill use as an example, so anyone can grow it themselves, or be licensed to grow it for others. So one can have cheap and easy access to it, or have a professional safe place to have it grown for them. Take away a need for a drug dealer. I agree with you, just a lot of other stuff to change with it, that I'd also most likely agree with.

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Cocaine is still very popular, and difficult for the average person to make, starting with acquiring the coca paste.

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The plant also only grows in certain climates and elevation. Though I was specifically talking about marijuana for the growing and easier access. If you get caught making or selling coke you can get a firing squad.

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I don't really like coke, I just love the way it smells

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The kikes got the Chinks addicted to opium in huge numbers back in the day. It became a huge problem (thanks, House of Windsor!). Hong Kong exists only because it became a huge port for the (legal) opium trade.

After many years, Chinks started cracking down in earnest. Drug dealers were executed, and users were forcibly rehabbed, with great success. It's a fascinating story.

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House of Windsor? Rothschild

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Many hands were in the opium pipe.

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Here’s a radical idea: the government shouldn’t have the authority to tell you what you’re allowed to ingest. The government themselves will sell you alcohol but throw you in prison for possessing mushrooms.

Drug dealers shouldn’t have to exist. You should be able to buy heroin at a gas station. If heroin and meth didn’t exist, the people who abuse them would just drink themselves out of a job and family and eventually to death. And if alcohol didn’t exist they’d find something else legal to get fucked up on and ruin their lives with.

Addicts don’t need drugs to fuck up their lives, and you don’t need the government to prevent you from becoming a meth head.

Stop trying to give the government more power, it’s literally the opposite of the reason this country was even formed

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(((dude weed))) Those.

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Thats pretty ridiculous. All you have to do, to see crime rates plummet is legalize all drugs. Petty crime, gang violence, cartels, and overdoses would all go way down. You could work or beg 10 hours a week and you would have enough to support your habit, less petty crime. Gangs would have nothing to fight over because distribution turf would have no value. Cartels would lose billions and they would have to run criminal operations that are a lot easier to break up like protection rackets. Drug manufacturers would be accountable for the quality of their products, so you users could actually keep track of how much their taking.

Killing desperate and addicted people that engage in victimless crimes is short sighted, stupid, expensive and dangerous. I dont trust law enforcement and all they would have to do to get anyone killed is put a 1oz bag of powder in their car.

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Seems a bit naive and quite liberal in my view.

My first problem is that selling drugs is not a victimless crime - how many people have died or been irreversibly damaged by things like fentanyl or opiates? Even marijuana nowadays with excessive THC isn’t all that safe and can lead to psychological and cardiovascular problems.

Violence and gang/cartel activity would not cease, it would just change. Have you heard about how the cartels are now in the avocado industry? Those people follow the black markets, and black markets will figure out a way to stay relevant no matter what.

Shitty people will always exist and will always figure out a way to be shitty - governments in essence were developed as a way to protect us from said shitty people. We should fight to bring that concept back instead of disarming individuals further.

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You cant commit a crime against yourself. You could make the same arguments to end all the decisions we get to make for ourselves. The logic youre using is the same that the left uses in an attempt to get rid of informed consent in medicine.

It is really easy for law enforcement to break up protection rackets if they dont have drug money and the power that comes with it backing them up. Once you break up a protection racket its actually gone too, its not like there are bunch of farmers putting pressure their friends and acquaintances to get them a new "protector" like there is in the drug business. You take out one dealer, and there are 4 other people waiting to take their spot regardless the consequences. Desperate people dont give a shit if they die. They live in the moment and addiction clouds peoples judgement.

Your making my point in the last part here, shitty people are going to be shitty, and the death penalty isnt a detterent. Handing shitty people a 300 billion dollar a year industry is whats crazy.

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Addicts should get the death penalty.

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I agree but its a hard sell when its giving more power to political tyrants. If we could sort out the jewish question first most of those other problems would melt away. A big one is getting rid of the CIA who ran a bunch of drug running operations and used the 'war on drugs' to build a monopoly on drug dealing and take control over it.

If the west wasnt high on judaism we would get the data and make some common sense decisions. Id say legalise low level drugs and go hard on amphetamines, fentanyl and hard drugs. death penalty for crack dealers.

I hate hard drugs, i hate my government even more though.

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Weed isn't a drug and no naturally occurring plant should be illegal.

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Legalize it all... 100% and drive the prices to zero... Then there are no drug dealers and only idiots take them... Then die.

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