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No microsoft products. No Bloatware, no spyware. Can be configured, reconfigured, and upgraded whenever you want.

My current clevo laptop is on it's third charging port now and starting to act up again. I am sick of messing with it. The hard drives are compatible with the DIY Framework laptop so I should be able to just put them in there and start it up. I'm sure it will run like crap for a bit until I get all the settings tweaked to the new hardware but that should not be too difficult (hopefully).

I'm about to pull the trigger unless someone smarter than me has a better idea. Looking at you and anyone else who cares to chime in!!

No microsoft products. No Bloatware, no spyware. Can be configured, reconfigured, and upgraded whenever you want. My current clevo laptop is on it's third charging port now and starting to act up again. I am sick of messing with it. The hard drives are compatible with the DIY Framework laptop so I should be able to just put them in there and start it up. I'm sure it will run like crap for a bit until I get all the settings tweaked to the new hardware but that should not be too difficult (hopefully). I'm about to pull the trigger unless someone smarter than me has a better idea. Looking at you @Level101 @stupidbird @AOU and anyone else who cares to chime in!!
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What all do you want to use it for? I used Clevo for a while and got tired of their (often) shotty build quality.

Framework is fairly new but has made splashes and I have them on my short list for when I want to buy/build a new laptop. I just have not needed to since I am usually near my desktop.

I really love that its modular and that I can just pull out a major part like the motherboard, 3d print a case for it and use it as a media center PC or something and slot in a new motherboard/cpu/gpu combo and use the same "case". Also, having the USBC based modules that you can swap out with "whatever" is kind of cool too. You can have one be a regular USBC or you can pull it and turn it into a displayport/HDMI/etc in almost zero time.

Overall, if the sticker cost is not too much for you I doubt you would dislike it and would be able to still "upgrade" it over time while using the "old" parts for other projects/systems/etc and that is pretty cool.

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That's pretty much what I was thinking. It's expensive, a little over 22 hundred bucks, before tax. Mostly I do Cad work and 3d printing and then just web shit. I don't need the new hard drives, my current ones will work. I love the upgrade ability.

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Interesting.

I need to check this out.

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Please do, I'm interested in your take on it.

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I’ve looked at framework, but no idea on their stuff yet.

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Something I have always wanted to do is a custom computer built into the desk.

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That seems like it would be pretty easy to do. Just imagine all the crap you could fit in there with no space limitations!! Your water cooling system could be gigantic, lol.

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So doesn’t the ryzen have the same management backdoors as intel?

Not arguing, honestly question. I haven’t kept up with that.

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I have no idea. Please elaborate.

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Intels management framework has a well known cia/nsa back door. It’s been written about ad nauesum.

It cannot be turned off, Started shortly after WOL became predominant. It’s bare metal, cares not about your OS. I’m sure AMD had to play ball, and it’s been said Apple m chips have the same.

Any search engine would lead you to articles. I’m Not a search engine.

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Interesting. I will look into that further. Thanks.

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The AMD version is called Platform Security Processor (PSP). It's been in basically everything since around 2013 I think. There is no escaping the "computer inside your computer" these days.

There were specific hardware configurations that the NSA requested (required) of intel that if detected would automatically disable the IME. I am not aware of something like that for AMD but I am sure it exists.

The short version of this is that there is a very small processor (ARM based usually) that is imbedded in your processor that has full access to the data lines in the computer (usb, networking, direct data going to the CPU/GPU/ETC) that cannot be disabled (usually), cannot be directly accessed by the user (usually) and could potentially be used to steal data from you, secrets for encrypted devices, etc.... (I think the Intel one was running some sort of ultra striped *nix like "os").

I did far too much research on this stuff back in the day but it's still around and it's still a "insider threat" for basically every computer in the world.

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I have one. I have been very happy with it.

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Right on, did you buy all the goods or have some of your own to put in? I can use my current hard drives but not my memory. How did you find the build experience? I have built a few desktop rigs in my day so I don't see any issues with that part. Ever use their customer support? How was that experience?

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I bought the parts package and put it together myself when they were newer. I have never tried to put non framework parts into it.

I have never needed to contact their customer support. The only frustration I have had is that the laptop I have doesn't have a button to turn off the screen but keep the computer on. I also bought some nice fold out laptop legs to glue onto the bottom so that the vents get more air because the fans can get noticeably louder with gaming usage. But again I have one of the first gen ones.