> Well, you certainly can't accuse me of being a federalist. Yeah but you couldn't accuse the founders of it either. That's what I'm saying, they tried their best to be good minarchists but after about a decade they decided they needed to have some (very limited minimal) regulatory body, and from that seed we've gotten to here. The power vacuum is not stable, something must fill the void. Libertarianism is as utopian as communism, in practice regulation and oversight are needed for large endeavors and large endeavors are need in the nuclear age. For me libertarian ideals should be considered when drafting law and we should strive to keep government as small as possible and to keep it out of the hair of the common man. Obviously government is too big at this point, too centralized, etc. but our rivals are centralized, our rivals are totalitarian, our rivals don't worry about rights, our rivals operate more swiftly and decisively. We've been in an arms race to destroy freedom since at least WWII. At the same time pure hard core libertarianism is feudal corporatism at best. We need to look honestly at each industry and draft minimalist regulation and only apply the toughest of those regulations to business operating at scale, who can afford to comply promoting growth and discouraging monopolies... it's just that we can't depend on our politicians to do that. Communism = Fucked Anarcho-Libertarianism = Fucked Corporate Oligarchy = Fucked ... We're just fucked. We need competent engineers to build us an (tolerably imperfect) system that protects freedom and commerce using whatever tools they need while keeping costs low and keeping us competitive against our rivals but we get politicians playing social engineers trying to make us fit into the system they desire for their own petty personal reasons/re-election/bottom lines/ideological hangups (corporate oligarchy, late stage democracy, communism). Libertarians are basically advocating that we put a demolition company in charge of the engineering because it's all too complicated and fuck it. Fascism, oligarchy or monarchy at best is like letting an Egyptian King do the engineering, you'll get something grand and monumental or go out with a bang. You'll have a page in history but it will cost the people everything. Then he'll leave it all to his retarded inbred twelve year old son to fuck up. There isn't an escape from the cycle so long as there is scarcity, so long as there are a bunch of apes running around. Any real lasting solution by it's very nature will be horribly dystopian. Ps. In case I'm starting to sound too much like an 'enlightened centerist' ... Jews and niggers are akin rats and termites, all they do is exploit or undermine the system and accelerate collapse.