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Anyone here have the expertise to evaluate the study?

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2115869

Anyone here have the expertise to evaluate the study? https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2115869

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[–] 4 pts

A zillion study do not justify removing a safe and effective drug from the market

The more (((they))) try to ban it, the more it is obvious that it works

Just let people use it, then, if it does not work, there will be no problem at all

[–] 2 pts

We don't need to read the study. We know, without a doubt, that the findings are bogus, and are designed to (a) discredit the very cheap and effective drug Ivermectin, and (b) to promote the use of the worthless and deadly experimental gene therapy shots that cost big bucks and earn a lot of money for Big Pharma.

[–] 1 pt
  • "Adaptive design trial protocol" + "master statistical analysis plan" = statistical magic
  • They say they measured hospitalization, but also counted "proxy hospitalization" in "mobile hospital-like services"
  • They gave ivermectin only for 3 days (way too short)
  • They started with 679 people in the treatment group and in the placebo group. Preconditions and chronic diseases were unevenly distributed between these groups => the trial was too small for useful results
  • 21 vs. 24 deaths - deaths don't count in this study
[–] 1 pt

> Here we go folks. More fear mongering over a alternative to the covidstein-19 injection.

[–] 1 pt

Did they follow one of the ivermectin including protocols which are published?

Did they include zinc?

Was it administered early?

Lots of the covid (read vaccine) is from spike profusion, not virus profusion. If you get seriously sick the alleged virus is gone by that point.

Pfft!!

[–] [deleted] 4 pts

Did they follow one of the ivermectin including protocols which are published?

0.4 mg/kg once daily for 3 days

Was it administered early?

To people with symptom onset within the last 7 days. I'd say this is the weakest point of the study. They administered it way too late.

[–] 2 pts

When my wife got it she started it and even with a preventative .4 dose I got it two days later then I went to .6 and we were both better on day three the most mild cold I’d ever had.

Big mistake two days later it hit us like a ton of bricks, we stopped way to early. But after restarting it was gone again within a few days.

I had an 81 oxygen level but refused to go to the hospital, 24 hours later it was at 89 then back to normal within 36 hours.

I was so exhausted and didn’t even realize I was breathing so hard and fast until my wife pointed it out and I took multiple readings and panicked. We’d already restarted the protocol but that was a scary 24 hours until I saw the numbers start to climb.

[–] 0 pt

ya i can feel ivermectin work in less than 6hrs

[–] 1 pt

The rebuttal here: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/wsj-misleads-public-ivermectin/

"WSJ Misleads Public on Ivermectin, Ignores Latest Revelations About ‘Hidden Author’ Who Undermined Its Efficacy.

The Wall Street Journal this month published an article citing a flawed, unpublished study concluding ivermectin didn’t reduce COVID-19 hospitalizations. Meanwhile, the paper ignored news earlier this month that a documentary producer discovered the individual likely responsible for tanking a key, systematic review showing how ivermectin could have saved millions of lives.""

He makes a good point. The only thing the study found, even if we take it at face value, is that Ivermectin did not reduce hospitalizations under the specific conditions of the study. It did not show that Ivermectin doesn't work. To prove that a drug doesn't work is an insurmountable task--pretty much impossible.

[–] 1 pt

funny the 22 references show positives for ivermectin

Most of the references aren't even about Ivermectin.

[–] 0 pt

"Supported by FastGrants and the Rainwater Charitable Foundation." ok google how these 2 get linked to Pfizer funding

Two of the backers of FastGrants are Zuckerberg Initiative and Jack Dorsey.