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Because humans have free will.

This is a contested issue in Biblical theology, but I find it rather clear.

Humans are made in God's image, God has a will of his own. Thus, humans have a will of their own.

Ok, but why doesn't God stop all the bad shit humans do?

Because if God snapped his fingers and fixed everything each time humans made a bad choice, then humans wouldn't have a will of their own.

Why would God make evil people?

He didn't. Adam and Eve let sin into the world by eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Why did God put that tree in the Garden of Eden in the first place?

Because if Adam and Eve had no opportunity to sin, they wouldn't have a will of their own. They would be incapable of doing anything other than the right thing.

Why does God care about us having free will?

Because God made humans to have a relationship with us. If we didn't have a will of our own, then a relationship with us would be pointless. Your relationships are meaningful because the other person doesn't have to be your friend/spouse/mentor/etc. but they are anyway.

In the same way, God doesn't want to have a relationship with robots. He wants us to willingly enter into a relationship with Him. Just as a father wants a relationship with his children, so too does God want a relationship with us.

Because humans have free will. This is a contested issue in Biblical theology, but I find it rather clear. Humans are made in God's image, God has a will of his own. Thus, humans have a will of their own. > Ok, but why doesn't God stop all the bad shit humans do? Because if God snapped his fingers and fixed everything each time humans made a bad choice, then humans wouldn't have a will of their own. > Why would God make evil people? He didn't. Adam and Eve let sin into the world by eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. > Why did God put that tree in the Garden of Eden in the first place? Because if Adam and Eve had no opportunity to sin, they wouldn't have a will of their own. They would be incapable of doing anything other than the right thing. > Why does God care about us having free will? Because God made humans to have a relationship with us. If we didn't have a will of our own, then a relationship with us would be pointless. Your relationships are meaningful because the other person doesn't *have* to be your friend/spouse/mentor/etc. but they are anyway. In the same way, God doesn't want to have a relationship with robots. He wants us to willingly enter into a relationship with Him. Just as a father wants a relationship with his children, so too does God want a relationship with us.

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Awesome write up on the subject.

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Going to copy / paste a comment I made a while back that is applicable.

TL;DR - I believe the primary way God interacts with our world is through the person of His Spirit who can only interact through a spirit in communion / alignment with Him, ie. a born again believer.

That was actually a HUGE red pill for me in Christianity. So many Christians say "it's God's will" or "God has a plan" or "It's up to God" etc etc.

I encourage you to really think on this. Example. Is it God's will that we be taught a lesson by cancer / car accident / losing a job etc? If so, then he is one evil SOB. Or, is it God's will that we be happy and healthy and fruitful, but the details are left up to us?

Based on many years of studying a variety of texts (mostly I mean translations of the Bible, along with concordance or similar study aids), I've come to this conclusion. Just my own personal believe which you can take or leave.

God exists in 3 persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We also exist in 3 "persons" so to speak - Mind, body and spirit (or soul). We are made in His image. Father represents the mind. Son the body and Spirit the spirit.

In the new testament they talk about receiving his Spirit (being born again), using gifts of the Spirit (healing, speaking in tongues, prophesying etc). They also talk about renewing our minds to the Word of God which means both Jesus (the Word made flesh) and the Bible (God's Word expressed through his select). We are also told to take care of our bodies as they are the temple of the Spirit.

Why would so much emphasis be put on those things if God was already in full control and had everything planned out? If God can still interact in the physical world, why would the whole Jesus thing be such a big deal? He could show up any time and stop a train, kill a hurricane etc.

But what if, the only way he could interact physically with the world was through Jesus and when the ultimate price for sin was paid, his ability to interact with our physical world ended? And now the only way he can interact with us is through His Spirit? And the only way to fully realize His will, through His Spirit is for us to be born again, which is an infusion, intermingling of God's Spirit with our own spirits? Then the only way for us to fully realize that gift of the Spirit is to have a solid physical foundation (temple for the Spirit) and a renewed mind so that the will of God can be expressed THROUGH us.

If what I've written is interesting to you at all, take a look at Curry Blake of JGLM, Joe Funaro and Andrew Wommack among many others. They have some very exciting teaching that explores the Bible in ways many churches do not consider.

Even if you think I'm loony or whatever, good luck in your search for truth and understanding. It is a worthwhile journey!

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing this

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There was a very interesting video I saw a few years back where a guy died and went to I think heaven and hell. In his adventures he saw that God existed outside of earth and only existed in the spiritual realm in terms of how we perceive reality. The guy came off pretty believable but his concept of how he saw heaven / hell / earth / God was very interesting and got me exploring. The more I researched the more the pieces fit together, very akin to what you posted, how we are made in God's image, so if God has X attribute then we would have it too.

I went a little deeper for myself and flipped the logic. If we are like X, then God must be like that too. Ie we have a body, mind and spirit. God exists in three persons - Jesus (body), the Father (mind) and the Holy Spirit (spirit). It lines up and makes total sense you know?

Hit me up if you want to discuss any of this further. I spent several years really digging into various topics on Christianity and the Bible.

Parting note: check out the Bible, specifically the New Testament translated from Aramaic! That is a real mind job. The theory is that much of the New Testament was originally passed on verbally and the language of the Disciples, Paul etc was Aramaic. It was translated / written in Greek to be more available to the masses, but the original text was Aramaic. Dave Baucher (sp?) actually has some proofs he goes into to prove that the NT was written in Aramaic.

Good luck bro