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My pastor was talking about judas today, and part of me always had some questions about judas betraying jesus

why did the romans even need judas in the first place? per the book of mathew, mark or luke, it's not like jesus was a very hard guy to find, and he wasn't trying to be subtle either, so then why bother doing a whole charade of finding him in the woods?

even assuming judas was needed, why would judas care to sell out jesus for so little? so he sold out jesus than killed himself? not only that, judas dies a few different ways based off a few books (strangulation by hanging, intestinal spillage), so im not entirely too clear how he even dies

jesus mentions that he who dips his hand in the bread will betray me, implying jesus already knew someone there would betray him. but beyond this, if judas did killl himself, it seems like judas was wrongly lead into a situation that got way out of hand, compared to what he was told, and the grief made him kill himself

part of my theory, is that jesus lead judas to turn jesus in, to fulfill the resurrection prophecy, didn't think the romans would go on to actually crucify him, and then the severe guilt of everything that transpired turned judas to kill himself, after seeing the plan go horribly wrong. on the other hand, it could also be that it happened completely that way, and the missing holes aren't that big a deal

My pastor was talking about judas today, and part of me always had some questions about judas betraying jesus why did the romans even need judas in the first place? per the book of mathew, mark or luke, it's not like jesus was a very hard guy to find, and he wasn't trying to be subtle either, so then why bother doing a whole charade of finding him in the woods? even assuming judas was needed, why would judas care to sell out jesus for so little? so he sold out jesus than killed himself? not only that, judas dies a few different ways based off a few books (strangulation by hanging, intestinal spillage), so im not entirely too clear how he even dies jesus mentions that he who dips his hand in the bread will betray me, implying jesus already knew someone there would betray him. but beyond this, if judas did killl himself, it seems like judas was wrongly lead into a situation that got way out of hand, compared to what he was told, and the grief made him kill himself part of my theory, is that jesus lead judas to turn jesus in, to fulfill the resurrection prophecy, didn't think the romans would go on to actually crucify him, and then the severe guilt of everything that transpired turned judas to kill himself, after seeing the plan go horribly wrong. on the other hand, it could also be that it happened completely that way, and the missing holes aren't that big a deal

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Judas did not betray Jesus. It's a flat out lie that he did. Judas did exactly what Jesus told him to do. Jesus loved Judas more than any other disciple. That's why Jesus entrusted him to take word to the Jewish priests at the Temple about where Jesus was, so that they could arrest him. Jesus wanted to be arrested, tortured and crucified. He saw himself as the sacrificial lamb who was going to redeem humanity's sins. That's why he allowed himself to be arrested so easily.

All this is crystal clear in the gospels, if you just read them without preconceptions.

Why did Judas kill himself? Because he never believed that Jesus would suffer and die. Judas believed Jesus to be God incarnate. Jesus told him there was nothing to worry about, God the Father would never allow anything bad to happen to him. So Judas followed the direct explicit instructions of Jesus to the letter, pretended to the priests to betray him, and then watched expecting God the Father to intevene and save Jesus from death. When this didn't happen, Judas became consumed with guilt. He realized what he had done, only when it was too late. He threw the money back at the priests and hanged himself.

But Judas was the most faithful disciple of all. He never betrayed Jesus in any respect, in any way. Judas loved Jesus. It was because Judas loved him that Jesus knew he could be trusted to carry out his orders, and betray his location to the priests. Jesus gave the most important assignment to Judas, his most beloved, and Judas did not fail him.

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and then it says

"The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born."

contradicts what you say

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Nobody makes any hard choices, nope.

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judas did it for power. not for his own power, but so Jesus would seize it. he didn't expect Jesus to command his followers to lay down their swords.

the silver was a pittance. it was a small amount and not his primary motivation. anyone who thinks judas did it for the silver pieces is retarded.