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My pastor was talking about judas today, and part of me always had some questions about judas betraying jesus

why did the romans even need judas in the first place? per the book of mathew, mark or luke, it's not like jesus was a very hard guy to find, and he wasn't trying to be subtle either, so then why bother doing a whole charade of finding him in the woods?

even assuming judas was needed, why would judas care to sell out jesus for so little? so he sold out jesus than killed himself? not only that, judas dies a few different ways based off a few books (strangulation by hanging, intestinal spillage), so im not entirely too clear how he even dies

jesus mentions that he who dips his hand in the bread will betray me, implying jesus already knew someone there would betray him. but beyond this, if judas did killl himself, it seems like judas was wrongly lead into a situation that got way out of hand, compared to what he was told, and the grief made him kill himself

part of my theory, is that jesus lead judas to turn jesus in, to fulfill the resurrection prophecy, didn't think the romans would go on to actually crucify him, and then the severe guilt of everything that transpired turned judas to kill himself, after seeing the plan go horribly wrong. on the other hand, it could also be that it happened completely that way, and the missing holes aren't that big a deal

My pastor was talking about judas today, and part of me always had some questions about judas betraying jesus why did the romans even need judas in the first place? per the book of mathew, mark or luke, it's not like jesus was a very hard guy to find, and he wasn't trying to be subtle either, so then why bother doing a whole charade of finding him in the woods? even assuming judas was needed, why would judas care to sell out jesus for so little? so he sold out jesus than killed himself? not only that, judas dies a few different ways based off a few books (strangulation by hanging, intestinal spillage), so im not entirely too clear how he even dies jesus mentions that he who dips his hand in the bread will betray me, implying jesus already knew someone there would betray him. but beyond this, if judas did killl himself, it seems like judas was wrongly lead into a situation that got way out of hand, compared to what he was told, and the grief made him kill himself part of my theory, is that jesus lead judas to turn jesus in, to fulfill the resurrection prophecy, didn't think the romans would go on to actually crucify him, and then the severe guilt of everything that transpired turned judas to kill himself, after seeing the plan go horribly wrong. on the other hand, it could also be that it happened completely that way, and the missing holes aren't that big a deal

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Kikes and their devious ways. I don't know why the pharisees and sadduccees felt the need to operate covertly except that they were kikes. But it does fulfill prophecy about Jesus being betrayed. And it certainly hilights the evil that can come from the worship of money. Nobody was tricking or twisting Judas's arm.

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I don't know why the pharisees and sadduccees felt the need to operate covertly

They didn’t have the support of the average person to the degree they they could do it openly. Most people who came across Jesus or heard of him, thought he was awesome. They are pretty much the only ones who didn’t think he was awesome, and that was largely because he embarrassed them and they considered him competition.

So, they schemed to get Rome to do their dirty work. And even Pilate begrudgingly did it because even he knew that Jesus was awesome.

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Good correction/additon. Thanks.

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No problem, brother. Oh, and there was at least one Pharisee who wasn’t a shit head: Nicodemus.

But as far as I can tell, the rest were shit heads.

Saul (who became Paul) was also a huge shit head…until he wasn’t anymore. It’s amazing what God can do with a person. Paul was arguably the greatest of them that taught the gospel… and consider how he began: killing Christians.

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Part of the confusion i think is that i cant for the life of me understand kikes and their crap customs and procedures, because its like trying to shine a light down a well, all you see is more darkness. And when you think you see something, its just more water rats and slime

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You said it before and the verses in Luke support it. Yeah, they could have grabbed Jesus anywhere in public since he didn't hide. But they wanted to take him away from the crowds to avoid the fuss and so forth. For the other guys saying Judas was not a betrayer, ask them to bring the actual verses that support that view. The plain reading of all the Gospels is really clear and is supported by the Old Testament prophecy. I'm not sure why so many feel the need to twist the obvious intent in order to cast Judas as the good guy.