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My pastor was talking about judas today, and part of me always had some questions about judas betraying jesus

why did the romans even need judas in the first place? per the book of mathew, mark or luke, it's not like jesus was a very hard guy to find, and he wasn't trying to be subtle either, so then why bother doing a whole charade of finding him in the woods?

even assuming judas was needed, why would judas care to sell out jesus for so little? so he sold out jesus than killed himself? not only that, judas dies a few different ways based off a few books (strangulation by hanging, intestinal spillage), so im not entirely too clear how he even dies

jesus mentions that he who dips his hand in the bread will betray me, implying jesus already knew someone there would betray him. but beyond this, if judas did killl himself, it seems like judas was wrongly lead into a situation that got way out of hand, compared to what he was told, and the grief made him kill himself

part of my theory, is that jesus lead judas to turn jesus in, to fulfill the resurrection prophecy, didn't think the romans would go on to actually crucify him, and then the severe guilt of everything that transpired turned judas to kill himself, after seeing the plan go horribly wrong. on the other hand, it could also be that it happened completely that way, and the missing holes aren't that big a deal

My pastor was talking about judas today, and part of me always had some questions about judas betraying jesus why did the romans even need judas in the first place? per the book of mathew, mark or luke, it's not like jesus was a very hard guy to find, and he wasn't trying to be subtle either, so then why bother doing a whole charade of finding him in the woods? even assuming judas was needed, why would judas care to sell out jesus for so little? so he sold out jesus than killed himself? not only that, judas dies a few different ways based off a few books (strangulation by hanging, intestinal spillage), so im not entirely too clear how he even dies jesus mentions that he who dips his hand in the bread will betray me, implying jesus already knew someone there would betray him. but beyond this, if judas did killl himself, it seems like judas was wrongly lead into a situation that got way out of hand, compared to what he was told, and the grief made him kill himself part of my theory, is that jesus lead judas to turn jesus in, to fulfill the resurrection prophecy, didn't think the romans would go on to actually crucify him, and then the severe guilt of everything that transpired turned judas to kill himself, after seeing the plan go horribly wrong. on the other hand, it could also be that it happened completely that way, and the missing holes aren't that big a deal

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[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

But if Jesus was already famous, why go through all these measures? Why not just nab him when no one was looking? Or would that have caused too many riots?

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But if Jesus was already famous, why go through all these measures? Why not just nab him when no one was looking? Or would that have caused too many riots?

To make an example of him, the guy kind of started a brawl in the temple, the money changers' HQ...

https://biblehub.com/john/2-15.htm

15So He made a whip out of cords and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle. He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16To those selling doves He said, “Get these out of here! How dare you turn My Father’s house into a marketplace!”

https://biblehub.com/context/matthew/21-12.htm

12And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves. 13And He said to them, “It is written, ‘MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER’; but you are making it a ROBBERS’ DEN.”

Imagine the scene... In what was the equivalent of a middle eastern open market during antiquity... It went a tad physical and I don't think everybody was like "Oh well, my stuffs and my shekels are on the ground now... Well that's too bad, I guess today is not my lucky day..." No. He certainly met some resistance and they still got kicked out

https://pic8.co/sh/KXIdCX.jpeg

https://youtu.be/g6FYLZouuMY?t=24

And the story doesn't stop there https://biblehub.com/context/matthew/21-12.htm

14And the blind and the lame came to Him in the temple, and He healed them. 15But when the chief priests and the scribes saw the wonderful things that He had done, and the children who were shouting in the temple, “Hosanna to the Son of David,” they became indignant 16and said to Him, “Do You hear what these children are saying?” And Jesus said to them, “Yes; have you never read, ‘OUT OF THE MOUTH OF INFANTS AND NURSING BABIES YOU HAVE PREPARED PRAISE FOR YOURSELF’?” 17And He left them and went out of the city to Bethany, and spent the night there.

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So, from a priest class/TPTB standpoint... "This guy has to go!" and you want to make sure everybody gets the message; "this is what happens to those who fuck with us. Who wants some?"

That's how I see it

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Kikes and their devious ways. I don't know why the pharisees and sadduccees felt the need to operate covertly except that they were kikes. But it does fulfill prophecy about Jesus being betrayed. And it certainly hilights the evil that can come from the worship of money. Nobody was tricking or twisting Judas's arm.

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I don't know why the pharisees and sadduccees felt the need to operate covertly

They didn’t have the support of the average person to the degree they they could do it openly. Most people who came across Jesus or heard of him, thought he was awesome. They are pretty much the only ones who didn’t think he was awesome, and that was largely because he embarrassed them and they considered him competition.

So, they schemed to get Rome to do their dirty work. And even Pilate begrudgingly did it because even he knew that Jesus was awesome.

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Good correction/additon. Thanks.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

Part of the confusion i think is that i cant for the life of me understand kikes and their crap customs and procedures, because its like trying to shine a light down a well, all you see is more darkness. And when you think you see something, its just more water rats and slime

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You said it before and the verses in Luke support it. Yeah, they could have grabbed Jesus anywhere in public since he didn't hide. But they wanted to take him away from the crowds to avoid the fuss and so forth. For the other guys saying Judas was not a betrayer, ask them to bring the actual verses that support that view. The plain reading of all the Gospels is really clear and is supported by the Old Testament prophecy. I'm not sure why so many feel the need to twist the obvious intent in order to cast Judas as the good guy.