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part of my theory, is that jesus lead judas to turn jesus in, to fulfill the resurrection prophecy

No, Jesus didn’t lead him to do anything of the sort. He simply knew what Judas was going to do ahead of time and didn’t intercede to stop him.

Because we spend every waking moment bound within 4 dimensions (width, length, height being 3, time being the 4th and most limiting), we can’t understand the concept of being outside of time. And yet, God is not bound by time.

Jesus was not bound by time either insofar as he was so connected to God, that God would regularly tell him what is to come. This happened all the time in the scriptures, and the Bible actually says that Jesus never said or did anything that God didn’t tell him to do or say.

Now, some people (such as Calvinists) take this concept to mean that God predestines everyone’s lives/actions…and that doctrine causes all sorts of problems.

You could say that the Calvinist is half right, though they got the wrong half correct.

God does have a plan or template for everyone’s life. But because we live in a fallen world, no one ever fulfills that template 100% as this would require perfection and obviously, none of us are perfect. So the idea that god has a plan, or a “predestination” for everyone’s life is correct.

But having a plan for someone does not equate to forcing them to do anything, especially when we’re talking about humans who were, from the very beginning, given free will.

God is simply so mighty that he knows what you are going to do of your own free will. He gives everyone as many chances as possible to accept salvation. Some do and some don’t. He basically does all he can with the exception of forcing you or me to accept that gift.

Some say that being able to know the future to such a degree and then allowing people to make their own choice to do wrong is the same thing as “predestination” in the way that the calvinists describe it. But it’s not. These people either forget or don’t understand that God stands by his own word. It actually says he holds his word above his own name. Who do you know who does this? No one but him. And his word, from the very beginning, was that man has free will. He can’t go and change his word after the fact because some men choose to exercise that freedom poorly, because then that would go against his own word, making him a liar, and lying is something that he is incapable of.

The plan to have Jesus die to save man was already figured out long before Judas was even born. They simply knew what he was going to do, what every man was going to do, and built the plan to operate within that framework.

It’s complicated, but also simple.

Also, Jesus was pre-existent. He says to God “let them (meaning us) share in the same Glory you and I shared before we lit the universe up.”

And it also says he was “slayed before the foundation of the world.” That’s pretty early.

Larger point, you can’t look at any of this within a linear time frame, because a linear time frame doesn’t apply to begin with.

*part of my theory, is that jesus lead judas to turn jesus in, to fulfill the resurrection prophecy* No, Jesus didn’t lead him to do anything of the sort. He simply knew what Judas was going to do ahead of time and didn’t intercede to stop him. Because we spend every waking moment bound within 4 dimensions (width, length, height being 3, time being the 4th and most limiting), we can’t understand the concept of being outside of time. And yet, God is not bound by time. Jesus was not bound by time either insofar as he was so connected to God, that God would regularly tell him what is to come. This happened all the time in the scriptures, and the Bible actually says that Jesus never said or did anything that God didn’t tell him to do or say. Now, some people (such as Calvinists) take this concept to mean that God predestines everyone’s lives/actions…and that doctrine causes all sorts of problems. You could say that the Calvinist is half right, though they got the wrong half correct. God does have a plan or template for everyone’s life. But because we live in a fallen world, no one ever fulfills that template 100% as this would require perfection and obviously, none of us are perfect. So the idea that god has a plan, or a “predestination” for everyone’s life is correct. But having a plan for someone does not equate to forcing them to do anything, especially when we’re talking about humans who were, from the very beginning, given free will. God is simply so mighty that he knows what you are going to do of your own free will. He gives everyone as many chances as possible to accept salvation. Some do and some don’t. He basically does all he can with the exception of forcing you or me to accept that gift. Some say that being able to know the future to such a degree and then allowing people to make their own choice to do wrong is the same thing as “predestination” in the way that the calvinists describe it. But it’s not. These people either forget or don’t understand that God stands by his own word. It actually says he holds his word above his own name. Who do you know who does this? No one but him. And his word, from the very beginning, was that man has free will. He can’t go and change his word after the fact because some men choose to exercise that freedom poorly, because then that would go against his own word, making him a liar, and lying is something that he is incapable of. The plan to have Jesus die to save man was already figured out long before Judas was even born. They simply knew what he was going to do, what every man was going to do, and built the plan to operate within that framework. It’s complicated, but also simple. Also, Jesus was pre-existent. He says to God “let them (meaning us) share in the same Glory you and I shared before we lit the universe up.” And it also says he was “slayed before the foundation of the world.” That’s pretty early. Larger point, you can’t look at any of this within a linear time frame, because a linear time frame doesn’t apply to begin with.

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