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Not that the Bible is wrong at all, but where does one draw the line between believing in God existing, and believing that the contents of the Bible are never corrupted? What would even stop one from not corrupting the Bible, especially given that everything else in our lives is corrupt? If I remember, some of the content of the Bible was literally added on later when KJV came out by one dude, from England, so who is to say divine inspiration wasn't used in other parts for either population control, personal beliefs or whoever knows what else?

Not that the Bible is wrong at all, but where does one draw the line between believing in God existing, and believing that the contents of the Bible are never corrupted? What would even stop one from not corrupting the Bible, especially given that everything else in our lives is corrupt? If I remember, some of the content of the Bible was literally added on later when KJV came out by one dude, from England, so who is to say divine inspiration wasn't used in other parts for either population control, personal beliefs or whoever knows what else?

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Christ is referred to as “The Word,” and the writings themselves are referred to as “Holy.” Denial of the scripture, even in part, is a denial of Christ, Himself, and therefore renders faith in Him as null.

Christianity, in its most fundamental form, is this:

Jesus Christ is God, was present at the forming of the Earth in six literal days that He, Himself, cites as such.

Adam, a real, historical man, was the one through whom sin entered the human race as an inheritance. For all are cursed by sin, and commit personal sins as an inheritance from Adam.

This fall necessitated a savior, Christ, who would incarnate as the theanthropos, fully God and fully man, and live a perfect life, proving that Adam had the same opportunity and failed.

Christ, in His earthly lifetime, pointed to the scriptures as true and historical, citing them regularly. He did not question them.

Christ then was betrayed by Israel, the ones to whom He came first, and was crucified. He resurrected in three days, returning to his immediate followers, and remained on earth for another 40 days before ascending and taking His place at the right hand of the Father.

His apostles, including Paul (nee Saul of Tarsus), along with others were provided divine inspiration for the penning of the further scriptures that would explain the case for Christ’s life, divinity, sacrifice, resurrection and resumption of his rightful place on the Throne, as well as what the future holds for humanity via prophetic texts.

Salvation is simple: acknowledgement of one’s own sin, both personal and corporate, the need for a Savior, and the recognition of Jesus Christ as both God and Savior who did as scripture says: Formed the earth as God, incarnated as theanthropos, lived a perfect life, was crucified by the jews, dying for your sin, who rose again, and sits now in Heaven.

But then you also have the NLT which i was thinking of, which is denounced as a fake bible, so then if that one can be considered a "fake", wouldn't that go against the teachings of the Bible being holy? I can understand KJV being a thing, but then why are there so many different Bibles, with so many different interpretations? Where would I draw the line between the addition of propaganda, vs original content that is divinely inspired?

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My scripture is the Greek New Testament and the Hebrew Old Testament.

I couldn’t care less about retards translating it into other languages. NASB, NLT, KJV, none of these are “inspired” texts. They’re just copies of copies with varying degrees of success in the translation.

Well that's the thing, a lot of churches will use an inspired text that was translated 6 times or more, and edited well beyond that based off whatever propaganda was considered useful at the time. This is also why some of these translations are wildly all over the place, and either brush off or delete the original message. A good example is no sex before marriage. What is marriage? Is marriage now the same as before? What does it mean to cast a name in stone? Why does the church as a group pretend to be both independent and dependent on the government, if all power comes from God? Feels like a lot of churches play good cop bad cop whilst using the government as the scapegoat, and the solution to their problems

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The Word of God is holy. If I take a copy of the Communist Manifesto and glue a Bible cover on it, that doesnt make it a Bible. Just an imposter.

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But then you also have the NLT which i was thinking of, which is denounced as a fake bible

Denounced by some, certainly. The NLT isn’t a great study Bible given that it is not a word-for-word translation, but rather a paraphrase of the original language. It does have its place, however: I used it in my home when my children were very young because the language is accessible to them. Now that my children are older I use the ESV or KJV.

but then why are there so many different Bibles, with so many different interpretations?

The Adversary is the author of confusion, and so he seeks to undermine the confidence that we have in scripture. A multiplicity of translations certainly leads to confusion, especially for new believers. If you read the various legitimate translations, however, you will find that they essentially say the same thing. The thing about language is that there is an almost an unlimited number of ways to express an idea or truth. For example, take the statement “I went to the gas station today.” Or how about “I stopped at 7-11 this morning to gas up my car.” Or how about “on Monday June 11th I stopped by a convenience store and pumped 12 gallons of gas into my vehicle and bought a hot pocket.” Hopefully you get the point - each statement is describing the same event, but each statement may focus on different aspects and also may have a different degree of precision.

Gotta cut this short, outta time…I wanted to address what is a legitimate translation but maybe another time…

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The devil convinced them to stray from the word of god

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The Holy Bible is completely unreliable and contradictory based on many things it says. Lots of things were omitted from the canon, in particular lines that Jesus supposedly wrote himself - left out completely because it undermined the Church.

The book should not be a source of proof of anything. It can be used as a life manual or perhaps a book of quotes and interesting tales and mostly irrelevant demands put onto people at the time based on the circumstances they were living in. It's a book of allegory. The book is irrelevant to your connection to God, if such a thing is real. Christians believe that the only way to God is through Christ. Many translate this into worshipping Christ. Some translate this into becoming Christ-Like. Some even believe that Christ is God. At this point, it would be difficult for any rational God to blame you for being confused, else we're all doomed.

Where you go and how you get there is entirely up to you. You will find the way.

in particular lines that Jesus supposedly wrote himself - left out completely because it undermined the Church.

The Bible itself even states that you don't need to go to church to be a Christian, so the parts that are considered canon and left in, still undermine the current day church. Corporate Christianity is just another corrupt entity praying on the weak and misunderstood

It can be used as a life manual or perhaps a book of quotes and interesting tales and mostly irrelevant demands put onto people at the time based on the circumstances they were living in

True, a lot of the circumstances of the time belong to tribes that don't even exist anymore. And given the time, a lot of the rules made complete sense ... for the time. In today's world, they make no sense, and are wildly prohibitive to being a functional person. A great example, I mentioned to my girlfriend, if i had to treat her based off what the NT says on dating, i would need to marry her tomorrow, and touching her hand, kissing her, french kissing her, hugging her tightly , etc would all be considered sinful nature.

Whilst possible, it would be considered horribly impractical in today's dating world to apply these rules, especially given she had a complete mental breakdown when i did this for less than a week, because her body was withdrawing from the lack of intimacy

At this point, it would be difficult for any rational God to blame you for being confused, else we're all doomed.

In a way, Satan likes to hide in the open, and as such creating so much confusion would be the easiest way to have people denounce there is a God. However, this also begs the question, how do you fix a society which needs religion and ethno centric ideals to survive, without knowing yourself what is and is not righteous in scripture?

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2 Timothy 2:15. It doesnt say read it. The more you dig, the more you'll find. I would imagine the older the writings, the more pure they are. Of course, you should allways share what you find with us!

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Christ himself is your authority as to the authenticity and veracity of the scriptures. If he is false, they are false. If he is true, they are true. To believe that man and his machinations would be able to change or alter God's word in any way that He did not intend is to believe in a neutered, weak God which is no God at all.

A lot of people say they believe in God. The question is whether they believe that God revealed anything to Man and whether God requires anything of Man. The Bible is that revelation and the Commandments and teachings of Jesus are the requirements, etc.

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You can compare multiple copies in multiple languages for consistency. Much the way you'd look for multiple written records of an ancient battle to see if they aligned. The scriptures are remarkably consistent and any discrepancies are typically either easy to sus out (such as fabricating a section about the trinity), or one off references to a Hebrew word where the translation is murky and easy to handle. E.g. there's a section about not eating certain animals that has a one off reference to an indeterminate bird. Could be an ostrich, or an owl, or some other type of rock-dwelling predatory bird. While no one's entirely certain exactly what that one-off bird is...it's pretty easy to just not eat those birds since you're not going to eat them anyway.