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As most people here know, the "christian" church has backslidden into pacifism and apathy and any mainstream denomination fails to prepare men and boys to defend their families, homes, and nation against enemies domestic. The secular powers and the churches themselves twist the following verses from Romans 13 out of context to keep churchgoers complacent and submissive to tyrants.

>1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

What is neglected is the rest of the chapter which goes on to define who a ruler or a "power" is, what a ruler is to be doing, and why just authority is to be obeyed.

>3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. 8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. 13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. 14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

This gives a clear understanding of what a ruler, or a just system of law, is to be doing: acting as a terror to evil, serving as a revenger to execute wrath on evildoers, and upholding those who do good. A ruler who not only abandons these duties but inverts them is not a ruler and the authority he claims is usurped and falsely wielded. If Caesar fails to serve as a ruler then what is his just due and what should be rendered unto him? No Christian man is under obligation to obey a false system of rule and the pastors and priests who claim otherwise are not shepherds of God's people but wolves in sheeps' clothing. Brothers, the night is far spent, let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light.

As most people here know, the "christian" church has backslidden into pacifism and apathy and any mainstream denomination fails to prepare men and boys to defend their families, homes, and nation against enemies domestic. The secular powers and the churches themselves twist the following verses from Romans 13 out of context to keep churchgoers complacent and submissive to tyrants. >>1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. What is neglected is the rest of the chapter which goes on to define who a ruler or a "power" is, what a ruler is to be doing, and why *just* authority is to be obeyed. >>3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. 8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. 13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. 14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof. This gives a clear understanding of what a ruler, or a just system of law, is to be doing: acting as a terror to evil, serving as a revenger to execute wrath on evildoers, and upholding those who do good. A ruler who not only abandons these duties but inverts them is not a ruler and the authority he claims is usurped and falsely wielded. If Caesar fails to serve as a ruler then what is his just due and what should be rendered unto him? No Christian man is under obligation to obey a false system of rule and the pastors and priests who claim otherwise are not shepherds of God's people but wolves in sheeps' clothing. Brothers, the night is far spent, let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light.

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Regarding the US, since its government is of its citizens, our representatives are the ones in rebellion. It is within our rights to take the country back.

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It is within our rights to take the country back.

It is our obligation to do so. And we are failing.

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Amen! I see the Holy Spirit is working within you. Always remember that God's authority comes first and man's second; for our liberty comes from God, not man. Pastors and priests who have used Romans 13 to justify government dictating what takes place in the house of God might not necessarily be wolves in sheep's clothing, but aren't discerning with Holy Spirit as their guide. God bless!

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As most people here know, the "christian" church has backslidden into pacifism and apathy and any mainstream denomination fails to prepare men and boys to defend their families, homes, and nation against enemies domestic.

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Remember that we are the church.

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Christ lives in us.

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Assuming bibilical accounts and laws are anything more than the word of man to begin with is a healthy start.

What about observing secular documents like the Magna Carta, or the Charter of Human rights?

Non of the religious "laws" explicitly say anything about protecting property, or protection from exorbitant taxes (you also need taxes for maintaing common land, parks, schools, roads, hosipitals). The great charter also guarantees the rights of individuals, the right to justice and the right to a fair trial, none of those are mentioned at all in any of the world's religious texts. A pretty massive foresight for a god I'd imagine.

What about the right to freedom of movement, association, freedom of speech? Do you value any of these?

Need I go on?

Ask yourself again, why indeed bother following secularist laws?

No Christian man is under obligation to obey a false system of rule

You end up living under jungle law then, a lawless society, devoid of modern world comforts where the most violent ape with the biggest club wins. Not even dark ages, but a bronze age society where roving tribal gangs probed city states defences for grain and sport. Mad Max without the cars or oil.