I know my sample was limited - there certainly were heathens at Beltaine, and the various other festivals; and there really isn’t some coherent corporate entity which defines “heathen” as distinct from any of the other pagan communities - with much goings-between among all of them. They showed up at the same parties and moved in the same circles. They all regarded their own particular in-group as somehow the more “legitimate”. Conflicts and clashes that inevitably arose were due almost entirely to personality issues, rather than faith.
Unless you’ve got some coherent Odin-worshiping temple, with some kind of corporate structure which defines your group as distinct from these others, I really don’t see any reason to regard your perspective as qualitatively distinct from any of theirs. You may define “Heathen” as specifically “anti-Zionist” - but what exactly are you keeping them out of? What sort of meaningful resistance are you offering ?
and the various other festivals
OK, that's your problem. These "Mideval Fairs" are fun, but they aren't Heathenry. They are just something to do.
I have no real problem with these events but, you'll mostly get LARPers. People dressing up for the day and acting out a fantasy based on whatever fairy tale they fancy. It's like ComiCon for people who watched the Marvel Movies and think that's what Thor is.
Like I said, they can do it if they want, but, it's not representative. Real Heathens have jobs to go to.
there really isn’t some coherent corporate entity which defines “heathen” as distinct from any of the other pagan communities
Actually there kind of is. To be a Heathen, you must be Germanic. There is no way around this part. It's an ancestral construct. There isn't anything of value to someone who isn't Germanic.
with much goings-between among all of them.
Not really. I encourage the Greeks and the Gauls and the Anglos, etc. to remember the Gods of their own peoples. But we are all different peoples. We don't want anything to do with their Gods and our Gods want nothing to do with their people.
They showed up at the same parties and moved in the same circles.
There's nothing wrong with that. Just because we are different peoples doesn't mean we can't be friendly. The problem is when there is subversion between the groups.
Conflicts and clashes that inevitably arose were due almost entirely to personality issues, rather than faith.
Yeah, sounds like you just met a bunch of people LARPing as Heathens to get attention. You went to a costume party dude.
Unless you’ve got some coherent Odin-worshiping temple, with some kind of corporate structure which defines your group as distinct from these others, I really don’t see any reason to regard your perspective as qualitatively distinct from any of theirs.
Like I said, the qualification is that we are Germanic. It's an ancestral organization.
You may define “Heathen” as specifically “anti-Zionist”
It's Anti-Zionist by nature of being ancestral. We have no relation to Israel. We have no allegiance to Israel. We have no Heroic-Epic that includes Israel. We have no incentive to "reclaim the holy land" (apart from the Germanic Fatherland). We have no prophecy about rebuilding the temple to bring forth Revelation or whatever the fuck Evangelical-Christians believe. There is no Pro-Zion narrative.
The best case scenario for the Jews is, they stop subverting our culture and we won't put a hatchet in their face. But as long as they continue, we are strictly Anti-Zion. We are the natural predator of the Jew. We are the Anti-Christ.
What sort of meaningful resistance are you offering ?
Well, unfortunately, we are a lawful people, so our hands are tied at the moment. But, for one, we don't worship a Jew as our Lord and Savior. That goes a long way.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. It occurred to me after I posted this that, because it’s been at least ten years since I participated in those events, things might be quite different. Lo and behold, the entire situation is apparently more politicized these days. Apparently, ten+ years ago, common interest in European pagan cultural roots was more important than associated political implications. They were all still roughly united against the prevailing mainstream culture, in my part of the world. Since then, apparently, the Norse-types have become ethnic nationalists. That wasn’t really a thing back when.
I guess, since times are harder now, political implications have come to the fore.
Since then, apparently, the Norse-types have become ethnic nationalists. That wasn’t really a thing back when.
Nothing has changed on the "Norse-types" front. We've always been tribal. The thing that changed is, 10 years ago nobody cared. We are White Supremacists, but we are POSITIVE White Supremacists, meaning we would RATHER focus on improving ourselves than spend our time bickering with the other races/ethnicities.
But now that political correctness has gotten out of hand, it isn't possible to be a Positive White Supremacist. You can't even say "It's OK to be White".
I mean, fuck it. I think the Navajo Nation should hold up their heads and be proud of being Navajo. All I want is the same in return.
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